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    Quote Originally Posted by NLAdriaan View Post
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    I confessed many times before, but just now am seeing this dedicated thread. This Karajan II 9th Mahler is still my number one on record. I heard many others, also live, and I must say that my best live experience was Haitink conducting the RCO in the 9th in Amsterdam in june 2018.

    A great composition but also very demanding to both the orchestra and the conductor.
    This performance is included in the Karajan / Berliner 8 CD box which sells for the price of a single disc.

    herbert-von-karajan-berliner-philharmoniker-8cds-nft.jpg

    A nice set if you aren't a Karajan junkie but you want a handful of his recordings. Here's a link with the content. https://www.prestomusic.com/classica...philharmoniker
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    Abbado/Lucerne

    Maazel/NY Phil

    Barenboim/Staatskapelle Berlin

    Solti/Chicago

    Bernstein/Berlin

    Karajan/Berlin

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    Any comments on Benjamin Zander live version? Have not seen any comments on this thread though may have missed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbang View Post
    Any comments on Benjamin Zander live version? Have not seen any comments on this thread though may have missed it.
    It's excellent and you wouldn't know its a 'youth orchestra' as their playing is really mature. The Boston disc is streets ahead of his Philharmonia recording in sound, conception and performance. Only heard this a short time ago and it's impressive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AZlexanderBaldwin View Post
    Abbado/Lucerne

    Maazel/NY Phil

    Barenboim/Staatskapelle Berlin

    Solti/Chicago

    Bernstein/Berlin

    Karajan/Berlin
    Please enlighten us a bit more .
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    I wonder what you think of this performance. It was a pleasant surprise to me, as Chung was not on my list of Mahler specialists.
    I listened to this concert live in Amsterdam, but this Elbphilharmonie performance is better integrated.

    Chung, with the Concertgebouworchestra, give a fresh reading of the symphony, all usual sentiments are gone and it reveals the modernistic aspects of the work, often overlooked in sometimes depressed interpretations that we know.

    Chung was to perform this symphony also at the Mahlerfeest in Amsterdam in May, now unfortunately cancelled (or to be postponed), due to the tiny Corona *******.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NLAdriaan View Post


    I wonder what you think of this performance. It was a pleasant surprise to me, as Chung was not on my list of Mahler specialists.
    I listened to this concert live in Amsterdam, but this Elbphilharmonie performance is better integrated.

    Chung, with the Concertgebouworchestra, give a fresh reading of the symphony, all usual sentiments are gone and it reveals the modernistic aspects of the work, often overlooked in sometimes depressed interpretations that we know.

    Chung was to perform this symphony also at the Mahlerfeest in Amsterdam in May, now unfortunately cancelled (or to be postponed), due to the tiny Corona *******.
    Yes, a pity about that Mahler Festival... and all other events anywhere, of course.
    I have very good memories of Abbado's performance of M9 during the festival of 1995 (which was 75 years after Mengelberg's 1920 festival). But it was never put on cd, so I won't choose for it.

    I'm gonna throw this sixpack in... mainly based on memories:

    Solti / London SO (especially the grim and rough first movement… wow - very expressive performance all around, much more to my likings than his later recording with the Chicago SO)
    Ancerl / Czech PhO (I kinda learned to appreciate this piece thanks to this recording)
    Haitink / Concertgebouw (first [studio] recording)
    Barbirolli / Berliner Phil
    Bernstein / Berliner Phil 'live' (despite the missing trombones in the climax of the finale)
    Abbado / Berliner Phil 'live' (made me think of the earlier mentioned 1995 Mahler festival performance)

    With a 'bonus' mentioning of:
    Von Karajan / Berliner Phil (first [studio] recording - less 'beautiful' than the later live recording, which especially works better for the Finale imho)

    EDIT: apologies to the thread starter... most of my choices are older than the 1990s. But they are all very well recorded as far as I can remember.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    It's excellent and you wouldn't know its a 'youth orchestra' as their playing is really mature. The Boston disc is streets ahead of his Philharmonia recording in sound, conception and performance. Only heard this a short time ago and it's impressive.

    I was referring to the Philharmonia recording as I did not know he recorded one earlier. I am still working on "liking" the 9th. Now I have Karajan (1980? not live) Bernstein, Giulini, Barbirolli, and the Zander. At least I can hear the lecture too.
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    Late to the party, but here are the 6 I would purchase (or have purchased), in no particular order.

    Post-90s

    Jesús López-Cobos, Cincinnati Symphony, Telarc

    Riccardo Chailly, Concertgebouw, Decca

    Pierre Boulez, Chicago SO, DG

    Pre-90s

    Karel Ančerl, Czech PO, Supraphon

    Seiji Ozawa, Boston SO, Philips

    Bernard Haitink, Concertgebouw, Philips

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    Barbirolli live 1960 with the Torino Radio Symphony (I think?) is a monumental recording. Rough, scrappy ensemble and shockingly poor sound but a performance for the record books. However, Sir John has a very raw, dark, unforgiving view of the symphony which may not appeal to everyone. Try the BPO one first to see if you like his approach, as you can hear it, of course, with much-improved orchestral playing. Ancerl is also one of the greats - he mostly lets the music move forward untouched, but there is still so much lovely character. I doubt if the Landler has ever been played any better with the idiomatic, lilting snappiness of the Czech Phil, and the Adagio is conducted perfectly. No complaints from me about that one. Two very good, if straightforward, modern ones are Haitink and Chailly, with Haitink in particular going real fire-and-brimstone mode in the first movement. Karajan is Karajan, I find him too stiff for Mahler; though I have not heard the earlier live one. Tony Duggan thought Rattle/BPO was the greatest, but I always think the Berliners sound too sludgy under Rattle. The Walter '38 is very high on my list of recordings to hear soon. This June I will be seeing Osmo Vanska lead the MN Orchestra in this symphony - I hope to the high heavens that the virus situation is kind enough by then to let it go on. I already had one concert cancelled, and for some idiotic reason they don't offer refunds but only vouchers for later concerts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegro Con Brio View Post
    Barbirolli live 1960 with the Torino Radio Symphony (I think?) is a monumental recording. Rough, scrappy ensemble and shockingly poor sound but a performance for the record books. However, Sir John has a very raw, dark, unforgiving view of the symphony which may not appeal to everyone. Try the BPO one first to see if you like his approach, as you can hear it, of course, with much-improved orchestral playing. Ancerl is also one of the greats - he mostly lets the music move forward untouched, but there is still so much lovely character. I doubt if the Landler has ever been played any better with the idiomatic, lilting snappiness of the Czech Phil, and the Adagio is conducted perfectly. No complaints from me about that one. Two very good, if straightforward, modern ones are Haitink and Chailly, with Haitink in particular going real fire-and-brimstone mode in the first movement. Karajan is Karajan, I find him too stiff for Mahler; though I have not heard the earlier live one. Tony Duggan thought Rattle/BPO was the greatest, but I always think the Berliners sound too sludgy under Rattle. The Walter '38 is very high on my list of recordings to hear soon. This June I will be seeing Osmo Vanska lead the MN Orchestra in this symphony - I hope to the high heavens that the virus situation is kind enough by then to let it go on. I already had one concert cancelled, and for some idiotic reason they don't offer refunds but only vouchers for later concerts.
    I am guessing you are referring to my last post. I have not devoted much time to Mahler and this is the main reason for not having much affection for his works. I own several 1st's, 4th's and 9ths. I acquired all of them for $1.00 or less shopping at thrift stores. It so happened I purchased my 9ths in the last few months so I am now just getting around to listening to it. I am sure these I have are good enough to start with and if I click with one or two I will check out some more like you brought up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigbang View Post
    I am guessing you are referring to my last post. I have not devoted much time to Mahler and this is the main reason for not having much affection for his works. I own several 1st's, 4th's and 9ths. I acquired all of them for $1.00 or less shopping at thrift stores. It so happened I purchased my 9ths in the last few months so I am now just getting around to listening to it. I am sure these I have are good enough to start with and if I click with one or two I will check out some more like you brought up.
    It was just a general reply to the thread, sharing my favorite performances .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Yes, a pity about that Mahler Festival... and all other events anywhere, of course.
    I have very good memories of Abbado's performance of M9 during the festival of 1995 (which was 75 years after Mengelberg's 1920 festival). But it was never put on cd, so I won't choose for it.

    I'm gonna throw this sixpack in... mainly based on memories:

    Solti / London SO (especially the grim and rough first movement… wow - very expressive performance all around, much more to my likings than his later recording with the Chicago SO)
    Ancerl / Czech PhO (I kinda learned to appreciate this piece thanks to this recording)
    Haitink / Concertgebouw (first [studio] recording)
    Barbirolli / Berliner Phil
    Bernstein / Berliner Phil 'live' (despite the missing trombones in the climax of the finale)
    Abbado / Berliner Phil 'live' (made me think of the earlier mentioned 1995 Mahler festival performance)

    With a 'bonus' mentioning of:
    Von Karajan / Berliner Phil (first [studio] recording - less 'beautiful' than the later live recording, which especially works better for the Finale imho)

    EDIT: apologies to the thread starter... most of my choices are older than the 1990s. But they are all very well recorded as far as I can remember.
    Your selection is remarkably similar to mine, (see post 84). Congratulations on having exquisite taste and a wonderful ear, and delighted to see someone else sharing my admiration for the wonderful older Solti recording!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NLAdriaan View Post
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    I confessed many times before, but just now am seeing this dedicated thread. This Karajan II 9th Mahler is still my number one on record. I heard many others, also live, and I must say that my best live experience was Haitink conducting the RCO in the 9th in Amsterdam in june 2018.

    A great composition but also very demanding to both the orchestra and the conductor.
    Yes I’d agree that Karajan cuts it best. I have others by
    Bernstein / BPO
    Abaddo
    Barbirolli / BPO
    Klemperer
    Giulini
    Heard great things about the last two but disappointing to me
    Also Tennstedt and Kubelik as part of sets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CnC Bartok View Post
    Your selection is remarkably similar to mine, (see post 84). Congratulations on having exquisite taste and a wonderful ear, and delighted to see someone else sharing my admiration for the wonderful older Solti recording!
    And I even forgot to give your post a 'like'! (I just did though.)

    But yes, it's especially striking that we both explicitely agree on the 1st recordings of Solti and Von Karajan, because most Mahlerians seem to prefer both their 2nd approaches more.
    At first, I was somehow struggling to find 6 recordings, because honestly, the older I get the less I listen to Mahler. So it was a both tough and pleasurable sentimental journey for me. And the more I tried my best, the more performances/recordings I could remember.
    I'm not very 'knowledgeable' about recent recordings though. As I said, I don't listen that much to Mahler anymore, or to any other 'large' symphonic giant for that matter. I'm more into 16th up to 18th century music now, especially baroque, and/or into keyboard & chamber music from the 19th century on and later. (I'm also much less into comparing recordings than I used to do in my 'younger' years. I think I'm more of a relaxed enjoying listener now, in general.)
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