View Poll Results: What's your favorite Der fliegende Holländer?

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  • Barenboim: Chor der Deutschen Staatsoper, Staatskapelle Berlin

    0 0%
  • Böhm: Bayreuth Festival Chorus & Orchestra (1971 live recording)

    0 0%
  • Dohnányi: Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra and State Opera Chorus

    1 3.03%
  • Dorati: Orchestra and Chorus of Royal Opera House Covent Garden

    3 9.09%
  • Levine: Metropolitan Opera Orchestra and Chorus

    1 3.03%
  • Karajan: Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra and State Opera Chorus

    0 0%
  • Keilberth: Bayreuth Festival Chorus & Orchestra (1955 live recording)

    4 12.12%
  • Klemperer: New Philharmonia Orchestra & BBC Chorus

    5 15.15%
  • Knappertsbusch: Bayreuth Festival Chorus & Orchestra (1955 live recording)

    4 12.12%
  • Reiner: New York Metropolitan Opera Orchestra and Chorus (1950 live recording)

    2 6.06%
  • Sawallisch: Bayreuth Festival Chorus & Orchestra (1959 live recording)

    2 6.06%
  • Sinopoli: Chorus & Orchestra of German Opera Berlin

    3 9.09%
  • Solti: Chicago Symphony Orchestra & Chorus

    4 12.12%
  • Other

    4 12.12%
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Thread: Favorite recording of Der fliegende Holländer: Poll

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    Default Favorite recording of Der fliegende Holländer: Poll

    I thought it would be fun to go opera by opera in the Wagner canon and see how the preferences of members stack against one another. Let's start with Der fliegende Holländer, shall we? Sorry if I didn't get them all, feel free to vote "other" if your favorite isn't listed!

    My vote is for the Dorati.
    Last edited by WildThing; Mar-21-2017 at 21:20.

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    Timely discussion since I just received another one mentioned by HFT, 63 Bohm MET with London/Rysanek and also the much sought after Sandor Konya (Eric), this will have to dethrone the 59 Sawallisch Bayreuth also with London/Rysanek

    (Your Dorati also with London/Rysanek, quite a team)


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    Klemperer & New Philharmonia Orchestra & BBC Chorus for me. Why? Because Anja Silja is a GREAT Senta!

    I'll be curious if anyone selects "Other" and then says Fricsay.
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    Sawallisch, 1961.
    Last edited by Meyerbeer Smith; Mar-22-2017 at 02:38. Reason: Corrected date.

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    The Crass/Silja/Sawallisch Flying Dutchman was from 1961. The 1959 recording was, as DA says, with London/Rysanek.

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    First vote for: Solti: Chicago Symphony Orchestra & Chorus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildThing View Post
    I thought it would be fun to go opera by opera in the Wagner canon and see how the preferences of members stack against one another. Let's start with Der fliegende Holländer, shall we?
    If we're going opera by opera in the Wagner canon, shouldn't we start with Die Feen and debate the merits of Downes, Sawallisch and Minkowski?
    Last edited by Meyerbeer Smith; Mar-22-2017 at 05:47.

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    I revisited my Dutchy's and changed my mind slightly, I still think the 59 Sawallisch Bayreuth is the best of the London/Rysanek performances, freshest voice and slightly more electric performance overall.....I rank it as easily one of the very best

    But going back again I like Uhde/Varnay duo even better, Astrid's voice is so vivid in capturing Senta, so much depth, color, character brings her to life like no other for me and Uhde is just the ultimate mysterious tortured Dutchman this guy deserves all the praise in the world a great wagner singer.

    The question is do you go with better sound stereo 55 Keilberth with slightly weaker supporting cast, or go with 55 Knap with iconic overall cast (windgassen replaces lustig as Erik).....for now my top choice is 55 Knap especially with latest Orfeo release

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonTemplar View Post
    If we're going opera by opera in the Wagner canon, shouldn't we start with Die Feen and debate the merits of Downes, Sawallisch and Minkowski?
    Perhaps O.P only likes Der fliegende Holländer.

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    The Dohnanyi is really good but there is a terrible side break in Senta's aria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonTemplar View Post
    If we're going opera by opera in the Wagner canon, shouldn't we start with Die Feen and debate the merits of Downes, Sawallisch and Minkowski?
    Well friend, I'll leave it to you to conduct the polls on those early three operas if you so wish!!

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    The Keilberth with Uhde and Varnay was my tops for a pretty long time, but lately I've been listening to the Sinopoli more and more. (also as I've grown weary of Varnay's mannerisms, I've been avoiding all recordings with her more and more as well.) So for now, a provisional vote for Sinopoli.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    I revisited my Dutchy's and changed my mind slightly, I still think the 59 Sawallisch Bayreuth is the best of the London/Rysanek performances, freshest voice and slightly more electric performance overall.....I rank it as easily one of the very best

    But going back again I like Uhde/Varnay duo even better, Astrid's voice is so vivid in capturing Senta, so much depth, color, character brings her to life like no other for me and Uhde is just the ultimate mysterious tortured Dutchman this guy deserves all the praise in the world a great wagner singer.

    The question is do you go with better sound stereo 55 Keilberth with slightly weaker supporting cast, or go with 55 Knap with iconic overall cast (windgassen replaces lustig as Erik).....for now my top choice is 55 Knap especially with latest Orfeo release

    I can't entirely agree with you on this DA, as much as it pains me to say it. I have just this very moment finished the '55 Kna and I have very mixed feelings about it. I can't fault Uhde's dramatic involvement with the part but I don't think he is in particularly great voice. To my ears he has trouble with his tone in the lower range and it is only when he moves to the more baritonal part of the voice does he really sound in control. Varnay just sounds a wee bit too old albeit she doesn't resort to scooping as she is sometimes prone to doing. Windgassen and Traxel are superb as is the chorus. Weber takes a little while to get going but he sounds tremendous after the first half-hour. But my main misgiving is Knappertsbusch's plodding tempi. Senta's ballad is interminable and only Varnay's solid technique prevents the whole thing from collapsing in on itself. The chorus also perform heroics in terms of coping with the speeds at which they have to negotiate their very complex passages. I suppose it's important to remember that Kna's is the complete first night performance and that Keilberth has the benefit of being cobbled together from all three of his performances as well as dress-rehearsals so you get to hear everyone at their best. However that really makes comparison difficult because I don't know how Keilberth structured a single performance. Anyway, this is only my opinion and should only be taken for what that's worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildThing View Post
    Well friend, I'll leave it to you to conduct the polls on those early three operas if you so wish!!
    Thanks - I'll do that!

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    My vote went to Klemperer - which is mighty. But Boehm at Bayreuth ran a close second. Ask me another day...

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