View Poll Results: What's your favorite Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg?

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  • Barenboim: Bayreuth Festival Chorus & Orchestra (1999 live recording)

    0 0%
  • Furtwängler: Bayreuth Festival Chorus & Orchestra (1943 live recording)

    0 0%
  • Goodall: Sadlers Wells Chorus & Sadlers Wells Opera Orchestra (in English)

    0 0%
  • Haitink: Orchestra & Chorus of the Royal Opera House (1997 live recording)

    2 4.08%
  • Jochum; Berlin Deutsche Oper Chorus, Berlin Deutsche Oper Orchestra

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  • Karajan: Bayreuth Festival Chorus & Orchestra (1951 live recording)

    2 4.08%
  • Karajan: Staatskapelle Dresden, Leipzig Radio Chorus

    4 8.16%
  • Kempe: Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra, Berlin Deutsche Oper Chorus

    5 10.20%
  • Knappertsbusch: Bayreuth Festival Chorus & Orchestra (1960 live recording)

    6 12.24%
  • Kubelik: Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra, Bavarian Radio Chorus

    19 38.78%
  • Reiner: Metropolitan Opera Orchestra and Chorus (1953 live recording)

    0 0%
  • Sawallisch: Bavarian State Orchestra, Bavarian State Opera Chorus

    2 4.08%
  • Solti: Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra, Vienna State Opera Chorus

    4 8.16%
  • Solti: Chicago Symphony Orchestra & Chorus (1995 live recording)

    1 2.04%
  • Other

    4 8.16%
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    Quote Originally Posted by SixFootScowl View Post
    I thought about sampling that Janowski Meistersinger but it is really pricey. Seems all those janowski Wagner recordings in that style of packing are very expensive. But tonight is another go-around with the Sawallisch Meistersinger and I have no complaints. A fine recording and my favorite Meistersinger so far.
    They are pricey. I was lucky to get mine, like new, on ebay.

    Barenboim is fairly inexpensive and is a good recording in great sound.
    Last edited by Itullian; Sep-25-2020 at 05:12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    They are pricey. I was lucky to get mine, like new, on ebay.

    Barenboim is fairly inexpensive and is a good recording in great sound.
    I'll look into it. It also is available in the Barenboim Wagner box set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SixFootScowl View Post
    Sampling around I found this one, which seems like a very good recording, but again pricey. What is it about Meistersinger that the used copies are all so expensive?
    I'm not a big fan of this one. Frantz is fine, if a bit one-dimensional, but Lemnitz sounds old, and Aldenhoff is a provincial bawler. Superb conducting, though, and it's good that this has been issued in decent sound with a nice presentation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    Aldenhoff is a provincial bawler.
    I needed cheering up today and you did it W. Thanks for that. To be fair he wasn’t always that but he certainly is on this recording.
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    I am sure I am only in having my favourite be the 1956 Bayeruth.

    Yes the sound is bad but only in a few places. I find it really lively and Hans Hotter is wonderful as Sachs. Windgassen is amazing as always.

    To be honest in everything but Parsifal I find Knappertsbusch unbearably dull. And Grummer annoying so that rules out the 1960.

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    I keep coming back to the Sawallisch recording of Meistersinger. Listened to most of the first act of the 1970(71?) Karajan and quit going back to Sawallisch.

    Hey, so this opera is three acts, but sure seems it should be four, no?

    Wikipedia says of Act 3, Scene 5:
    Almost an act in itself, this scene occupies about 45 minutes of the two hours of Act 3 and is separated from the preceding four scenes by Verwandlungsmusik, a transforming interlude.
    Given Act 3 is 2 hours long, and this scene really is so different from the preceding parts, I really feel like separating Act 3, Scene 5 out from the rest of Act 3. Wonder why he kept it in Act 3 instead of having an Act 4?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SixFootScowl View Post
    I keep coming back to the Sawallisch recording of Meistersinger. Listened to most of the first act of the 1970(71?) Karajan and quit going back to Sawallisch.

    Hey, so this opera is three acts, but sure seems it should be four, no?

    Wikipedia says of Act 3, Scene 5:


    Given Act 3 is 2 hours long, and this scene really is so different from the preceding parts, I really feel like separating Act 3, Scene 5 out from the rest of Act 3. Wonder why he kept it in Act 3 instead of having an Act 4?
    After Rienzi (and with the exception of the prelude Rheingold), Wagner always did three acts, even though some ended up seeming overloaded (Act I of Götterdämmerung, Act II of Walküre, Act III of Siegfried).

    A three-act Meistersinger was also structurally necessary because the work as a whole reflects the AAB pattern of the Prize Song.
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    I am really getting in to the Jochum recording now. Surprised this poll has no votes for Jochum.
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    As much as I admire Jochum, he has a terrible Eva, Domingo's German is awful, and DFD is undercast.

    My top 3 would be Kubelik, Karajan II, and Sawallisch in that order.

    Honourable mention to Solti I, but Kollo is not in great voice and he has a terrible Eva too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulfilas View Post
    As much as I admire Jochum, he has a terrible Eva, Domingo's German is awful, and DFD is undercast.

    My top 3 would be Kubelik, Karajan II, and Sawallisch in that order.

    Honourable mention to Solti I, but Kollo is not in great voice and he has a terrible Eva too.
    Thanks to my musical ignorance and lack of any knowledge of German or any other language beyond English (and very rudimentary biblical Greek), I am happy to say that Domingo's awful German does not bother me a bit. I don't know what undercast means in a practical sense, and Eva works even if she is much better as Senta in the Hollander DVD. Will it replace Sawallisch for me. Don't know. Time will tell.
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    By undercast I mean he is too light for the role, he doesn't have the weight or tonal resources the role ideally asks for. That's why he never sang it on stage.

    Also I find he doesn't convince dramatically either. Too urbane and sophisticated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulfilas View Post
    As much as I admire Jochum, he has a terrible Eva, Domingo's German is awful, and DFD is undercast.
    Lots of pretty ordinary singing in other roles, too. Hard for me to fathom why anyone prefers this one.

    My top 3 would be Kubelik, Karajan II, and Sawallisch in that order.
    Excellent choices - I'd sneak Solti 2 in there, too.

    Honourable mention to Solti I, but Kollo is not in great voice and he has a terrible Eva too.
    It's really a shame about those two; it's really a pity that Decca didn't provide Norman Baily with better surroundings - he's an excellent Sachs, among the finest on records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulfilas View Post
    By undercast I mean he is too light for the role, he doesn't have the weight or tonal resources the role ideally asks for. That's why he never sang it on stage.
    Fischer-Dieskau is actually OK in the Fliedermonolog and Wahnmonolog, but elsewhere, he does a lot of huffing, puffing, and barking.

    BTW, he did sing it on stage, at least once, in Munich, Sawallisch conducting:

    https://wagnerdisco.net/audio/die-me...lisch-munchen/

    He's no better than on the Jochum set, but the rest of the cast certainly is.
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    Just got done listening to the Sawallisch and I must say, it's a lot better than I remembered.
    The sound is fantastic and I think it's Heppner's best Walther.
    Studer is very good and though not perfect i think Weikl does a fine job as Sachs.
    His voice is a bit dry, but i can easily accept him.

    This recording is up there with Solti 2, Kubelik and Karajan imo.
    I'm with you Sixfootscowl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    Just got done listening to the Sawallisch and I must say, it's a lot better than I remembered.
    The sound is fantastic and I think it's Heppner's best Walther.
    Studer is verygood and though not perfect i think Weikl does a fine job as Sachs.
    His voice is a bit dry, but i can easily accept him.

    This recording is up there with Solti 2, Kubelik and Karajan imo.
    I'm wit you Sixfootscowl.
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