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  • Barenboim: Bayreuth Festival Chorus & Orchestra (1991 live recording)

    2 4.17%
  • Böhm: Bayreuth Festival Chorus & Orchestra (1966/67 live recording)

    2 4.17%
  • Boulez: Bayreuth Festival Chorus & Orchestra (1980 live recording)

    0 0%
  • Furtwängler: Italian Radio Symphony Orchestra Rome, Italian Radio Chorus Rome (1953 live recording)

    1 2.08%
  • Furtwängler: Milan Teatro alla Scala Orchestra & Chorus (1950 live recording)

    4 8.33%
  • Goodall: Sadlers Wells Opera Orchestra, English National Opera Chorus (in English)

    2 4.17%
  • Haitink: Bavarian Radio Chorus, Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra

    0 0%
  • Janowski: Staatskapelle Dresden, Dresden State Opera Chorus

    0 0%
  • Karajan: Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra, Berlin Deutsche Oper Chorus

    3 6.25%
  • Keilberth: Bayreuth Festival Chorus & Orchestra (1955 live recording)

    11 22.92%
  • Knappertsbusch: Bayreuth Festival Chorus & Orchestra (1956 live recording)

    1 2.08%
  • Krauss: Bayreuth Festival Chorus & Orchestra (1953 live recording)

    1 2.08%
  • Levine: Metropolitan Opera Orchestra & Chorus

    0 0%
  • Solti: Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra, Vienna State Opera Chorus

    19 39.58%
  • Other

    2 4.17%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    With whom is Solti's Ring out of fashion?

    I agree about Thielemann though. Fat chance of that happening with the dearth of top class Wagnerian singers in the opera world today. Now where did I leave that time machine?
    I think if you look on social media, people are ready now to criticise the Culshaw production. Also some of the singers were then past their prime. However, we only knew that when later recordings turned up. I think people find a lot of Solti's recordings harsh during that era but later on the sound mellowed.

    Obviously Gergiev tried but failed to do a studio Ring but it was so poorly conducted with such an overrated orchestra. I do disagree though that there aren't many great singers who could do it in the studio.

    Terfel-Wotan, Stemme- Brunnhilde, Kaufmann-Siegmund, Matilla-Sieglinde, Ekaterina Gubanova-Fricka, Vinke-Siegfried. Zeppenfeld-Hunding, Milling-Hagen. They're just some initial thoughts

    That could do as a start
    Last edited by jflatter; Mar-30-2017 at 19:55.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jflatter View Post
    I think if you look on social media, people are ready now to criticise the Culshaw production. Also some of the singers were then past their prime. However, we only knew that when later recordings turned up. I think people find a lot of Solti's recordings harsh during that era but later on the sound mellowed.

    Obviously Gergiev tried but failed to do a studio Ring but it was so poorly conducted with such an overrated orchestra. I do disagree though that there aren't many great singers who could do it in the studio.

    Terfel-Wotan, Stemme- Brunnhilde, Kaufmann-Siegmund, Matilla-Sieglinde, Ekaterina Gubanova-Fricka, Vinke-Siegfried. Zeppenfeld-Hunding, Milling-Hagen. They're just some initial thoughts

    That could do as a start
    If you cast Terfel as Wotan you've already ruined the entire cycle. His voice is not suited for the role. He'd make a fine Gunther though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonetan View Post
    If you cast Terfel as Wotan you've already ruined the entire cycle. His voice is not suited for the role. He'd make a fine Gunther though.
    Each to their own I suppose but Terfel is a proper bass-baritone IMHO and was great in the ROH Ring. Could never see him as a Gunther though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jflatter View Post
    Each to their own I suppose but Terfel is a proper bass-baritone IMHO and was great in the ROH Ring. Could never see him as a Gunther though.
    IMO Terfel is better suited for more lyrical singing. He doesn't have the weight in the voice for a good Wotan. He ends up having to bark through a lot of the role which is a dead giveaway that he's not right for it. Personally I think his looks & temperment would be a better fit for Gunther who is a weaker character than Wotan who is the God of Gods. Terfel singing Wotan just goes to show that Wagner singing is not what it was.

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    My favorite Ring at this time:


    Of the Rings I have listened to, here is my approximate order of preference, which could change over time:

    1. Sawallisch Ring
    2. Swarowsky Ring
    3. Levine Ring
    4. Goodall Ring
    5. Krauss Ring
    6. Solti Ring
    7. Janowski Ring
    8. Neuhold Ring
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    Revised list:

    1. Sawallisch Ring 1989
    2. Levine Ring
    3. Goodall Ring

    All the rest: (no order of preference)
    Sawallisch Ring 1968 ROMA
    Swarowsky Ring
    Krauss Ring
    Solti Ring
    Janowski Ring
    Neuhold Ring
    Furtwangler

    Somehow I think I have more Rings on CD but can't remember what. No matter. I am stuck in that without Behrens as Brunnhilde, the recording just comes off as lacking for me. I can handle Goodall because it is in English. Not to say other Brunnhildes are not good. No, there are many excellent Brunnhildes, but when i drink in the whole Ring, there is something about Behren's voice that just grabs me and won't let go.
    Last edited by Fritz Kobus; Oct-09-2019 at 17:39.
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    If I had to recommend one Ring based on combination of good sound, singing, and interpretation, it would be Bohm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmsianhorn View Post
    If I had to recommend one Ring based on combination of good sound, singing, and interpretation, it would be Bohm.
    I have that one. Will give it a listen next. Some great voices on that one:
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    Quote Originally Posted by jflatter View Post
    I think if you look on social media, people are ready now to criticise the Culshaw production. Also some of the singers were then past their prime. However, we only knew that when later recordings turned up. I think people find a lot of Solti's recordings harsh during that era but later on the sound mellowed.
    Interesting that Nilsson herself criticised the balanced of the Decca recordings for being too orchestra heavy - and with HER voice too! Of course it was the age of 'Sonic Stage'. Culshaw by his own admission favoured over-emphasis rather than under-emphasis (he reckoned that Boulez was the most boring of competent conductors) so that's why he favoured Solti (for all his shortcomings at the time) as his Ring conductor. It was an viscerally exciting sonic experience which literally took the music world by storm. Of course, at the time, there was little or no competition, so it was no surprise that when Walkure the last to be recorded) came out the reviews were more reserved as there were other recordings available. The other reason was Hotter's Wotan, which was way past its sell-by date by then, and which is frankly a trial to listen to, whatever excuses may be made for it.
    The great success of the Solti Ring was Gotterdamerung in both its casting and conducting, as the gloom laden Twilight saga seemed to suit Solti better.
    However, for me the best conducted Ring remains Karajan's with the Berlin Phil purring with an almost supernatural beauty. Of course there are controversial cast choices, some forced upon Karajan by circumstances and availability of singers, but it is a good thing to hear other, often lighter voices in the roles rather than the usual cannons. It gives this Ring a different feel, although I know it does not please the traditionalists. But I think it would have pleased the composer. For example, I'm glad to hear both Crespin's and Denerch's short lived Brunnhildes even though they lack the sheer heft of Nilsson and Janowitz's bewitching Sieglinde opposite Vickers.
    I also have Janowski which is pretty good but Altmeyer does sound a bit over-stretched by Brunnhilde. Also the Bohm which has the same cast (almost) as Solti but the recording is too monochrome. Must have another listen to it when I'm in the mood for Richard!
    Oh and years ago I got Krauss as a next-to-nothing download with a great cast but restricted recording
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    Just finished this one. I did not find it all that interesting. Siegfried was perhaps the best of the operas on this set, then followed by Gotterdammerung, then Walkure, and least being Rheingold. Sound seemed rather thin on this set, especially Rheingold. I understand that there is a remastered set that I perhaps should have bought instead of this one, but can it be that much better?
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    This one is pretty good. I think I'll rank it just below Levine. Mine is in a larger box set, so not sure what release I actually have.


    Current rankings:

    #1 Sawallisch 1989
    #2 Levine 1989
    #3 Barenboim

    Will be listening to these next: Janowski (Dresden), Neuhold, Furtwangler (Italian Radio 1953), Krauss (Bayreuth 1953), Solti, and Swarowsky. We'll see what of these make my favorites list.

    Next up? Neuhold, a budget cycle with pretty good ratings.
    Last edited by Fritz Kobus; Oct-15-2019 at 05:02.
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    I went into this with great expectations but started losing interest. By the time I got well into Walkure I was wishing for the end of the world (i.e., end of the opera), but pained it out for all four operas. Needless to say, this one does not make my favorites list.


    Next up: Krauss 1953 Beyreuth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    Just finished this one. I did not find it all that interesting. Siegfried was perhaps the best of the operas on this set, then followed by Gotterdammerung, then Walkure, and least being Rheingold. Sound seemed rather thin on this set, especially Rheingold. I understand that there is a remastered set that I perhaps should have bought instead of this one, but can it be that much better?
    It sounds better, but the difference isn't huge - if you're not crazy about the performance, it's probably not worth the upgrade. The biggest positive change is that each act of Siegfried gets its own disc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    It sounds better, but the difference isn't huge - if you're not crazy about the performance, it's probably not worth the upgrade. The biggest positive change is that each act of Siegfried gets its own disc.
    Itullian would be pleased.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    Itullian would be pleased.
    Very ..........................
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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