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    Quote Originally Posted by AfterHours View Post
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    Though you misspelled his name, I'm a Belieber too, so I am glad you included him, especially over a third rate hack like Brahms.
    Biber? Most of his stuff seems pretty thin. Just compare his violin passacaglia with the Bach chaconne: a cat's meow beside the roar of a lion. Maybe that's why the Biber piece I like best is the "Sonata Representativa," where the violin imitates animal noises. The frog is just terrific! Brahms would be Kermit-green with envy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Biber? Most of his stuff seems pretty thin. Just compare his violin passacaglia with the Bach chaconne: a cat's meow beside the roar of a lion. Maybe that's why the Biber piece I like best is the "Sonata Representativa," where the violin imitates animal noises. The frog is just terrific! Brahms would be Kermit-green with envy.
    I wouldn't say that's true. But I think his best work is the Harmonia artificiosa-ariosa.

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    Indeed, strange eccentricities of taste revealed in this thread (some might say).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange Magic View Post
    Indeed, strange eccentricities of taste revealed in this thread (some might say).
    I know there are weirdos out there who love Brahms's piano sonatas, but I can't believe it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronochromie View Post
    I know there are weirdos out there who love Brahms's piano sonatas, but I can't believe it!
    How could anyone NOT love Brahms's piano sonatas? If you love Beethoven's piano sonatas, then you're basically guaranteed to love Brahms's! His Piano Sonata No. 1 is basically a reworking of the Hammerklavier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina View Post
    How could anyone NOT love Brahms's piano sonatas? If you love Beethoven's piano sonatas, then you're basically guaranteed to love Brahms's! His Piano Sonata No. 1 is basically a reworking of the Hammerklavier.
    That's like saying if you love Beethoven's symphonies you'll love those of Ries. Sure, if you like a watered down, poor man's version of the real thing, then I guess they're excellent.

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    Hopefully no one makes a thread about Tchaikovsky, if I was tempted to write in that I'd befuddle and infuriate the half of the forum that doesn't care about Brahms but likes him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkW View Post
    Brahms was the best possible Brahms.
    I've never believed this. The best Brahms was the one with more daring — you know, the one who got Clara in the end and took more risks in his composing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina View Post
    How could anyone NOT love Brahms's piano sonatas? If you love Beethoven's piano sonatas, then you're basically guaranteed to love Brahms's! His Piano Sonata No. 1 is basically a reworking of the Hammerklavier.
    Not necessarily. See above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronochromie View Post
    Hopefully no one makes a thread about Tchaikovsky, if I was tempted to write in that I'd befuddle and infuriate the half of the forum that doesn't care about Brahms but likes him!
    Don't allow anyone to impose their aesthetics on you: be bold and self-confident! If you believe that there are at least 50 composers better than Johannes Brahms (or Tchaikovsky), do not be intimidated by the possibility of raised eyebrows, cluck-clucking and head-shaking among some CM lovers who cannot appreciate personal idiosyncrasy as you and I can!
    Last edited by Strange Magic; Jun-15-2017 at 00:15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronochromie View Post
    That's like saying if you love Beethoven's symphonies you'll love those of Ries. Sure, if you like a watered down, poor man's version of the real thing, then I guess they're excellent.
    Wrong.............


    Nothin wrong with Ries, but he was under direct influence of Beethoven and didn't bring anything new. I think it's dishonest to say the same when it comes to Brahms. I'm sure people with real knowledge won't even bother to discuss about this, but as a layman I can say Brahms did bring some innovative substance on top of Beethoven, much the same way as Beethoven did for Haydn's music.

    Both Wagner and Brahms seeked solutions for the musical shock waves set by Beethoven, in their own respective ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronochromie View Post
    I know there are weirdos out there who love Brahms's piano sonatas, but I can't believe it!
    I'm one of those weirdos, and it feels great to out myself for Johannes.

    Put that cigar in your beard and smoke it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    I'm one of those weirdos, and it feels great to out myself for Johannes.

    Put that cigar in your beard and smoke it!
    I'm another of those weirdos .

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    I hope you're both just being overzealous and mean "like" instead of "love", because if you love the piano sonatas then I don't know how you would express appreciation for his late piano works!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chromatic owl View Post
    In this case I will consider Bach, Bartók, Beethoven, Britten, Chopin, Dvořák, Franck, Gesualdo, Händel, Haydn, Mozart, Mendelssohn, Musorgsky, Prokofiev, Ravel, Reger, Schubert, Schumann, Schnittke, Scriabin, Shostakovich, Sibelius, Strauss, Stravinsky, Tallis and Tchaikovsky to be greater than Brahms. (happened to be slightly more than twenty )
    Schnittke, Schumann and Franck better than Brahms? I can agree with the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil loves classical View Post
    Schnittke, Schumann and Franck better than Brahms? I can agree with the others.
    Schumann for schure. You can agree with Reger, Tallis and Gesualdo but not Schumann?

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