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    I'm serious now, I'd put Brahms under John Cage in terms of overall importance...
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    Quote Originally Posted by eugeneonagain View Post
    I'm serious now, I'd put Brahms under John Cage in terms of overall importance...
    I have to disagree. Cage first of all, was inspired and taught by Schoenberg. Schoenberg in turn was inspired by Brahms, believe it or not. Therefore, without Brahms, there would be no Cage, or there would be a different Cage. Besides, even if that weren't so, Brahms is so much more influential to everybody, so much more musical, how can one say that he is not as important as Cage?

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    The smiley may have been a clue to the irony?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eugeneonagain View Post
    The smiley may have been a clue to the irony?
    I would have gotten if it if you hadn't said "I'm serious now." I know some people on TC would agree with that statement, so I can never be sure.
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    Brahms isn't my favorite composer but I wouldn't say that any were better than he was. He did it as well as anyone possibly could, in my opinion. And I'm not one of those inclusive-types who thinks every artist is equal and it's just a matter of taste. I'd put Brahms in a class of maybe 7 or 8 men who ever put pen to paper in the composition of music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    A shame Brahms didn't write any operas.
    Some folks I know will insist he did. But economically with the Wiegenlied.

    The folks I refer to are those who fall asleep at the very thought of opera. So, instead of three to five hours of music and singing to bring on the heavy eyelids, Brahms wrote only a small Lullaby to do the trick.

    Wiegenlied. The Overture:



    The main event:


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    mendelssohn_01.jpgI think MENDELSSOHN music is better than brahms.one should here felix symphonies,midsummers night dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtmailey View Post
    mendelssohn_01.jpgI think MENDELSSOHN music is better than brahms.one should here felix symphonies,midsummers night dream.
    Yes, Mendelssohn's music is great too, definitely, but I still think Brahms was the greater composer of the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtmailey View Post
    mendelssohn_01.jpgI think MENDELSSOHN music is better than brahms.one should here felix symphonies,midsummers night dream.
    Regardless who was greater, I prefer Mendelssohn. The same works you listed are my favorites. Though I do like Brahms' German Requiem. Mendelssohn has a a few operettas too!
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwardBast View Post
    Not to me it isn't! A composer with Brahms's inclinations and personality was absolutely right to eschew opera. Would have been an enormous waste of time and effort and would have deprived us of a number of great works.
    Brahms seriously considered composing an opera, but
    ...when nothing had come of his various operatic plans, he responded to the question of why he had written no opera, "Beside Wagner it is impossible."
    Quote from The Backgrounds and Traditions of Opera by Ruth Berges.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SONNET CLV View Post
    The folks I refer to are those who fall asleep at the very thought of opera. So, instead of three to five hours of music and singing to bring on the heavy eyelids, Brahms wrote only a small Lullaby to do the trick.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Finally you've got you real good answer, sleep tight later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    Brahms seriously considered composing an opera, but

    "...when nothing had come of his various operatic plans, he responded to the question of why he had written no opera, "Beside Wagner it is impossible."

    Quote from The Backgrounds and Traditions of Opera by Ruth Berges.
    If he needed Wagner to get him off the idea, then we owe double thanks to Wagner! But, in any case, it was an excellent decision.

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    Bach, Mozart and Beethoven.

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    There may have been some who were better composers than him, but somehow it seems wrong to even talk about it. He put so much effort to it, sacrificed everything to it, and became so good that few can be even mentioned in the same sentence.
    Wäre das Faktum wahr, – wäre der außerordentliche Fall wirklich eingetreten, daß die politische Gesetzgebung der Vernunft übertragen, der Mensch als Selbstzweck respektiert und behandelt, das Gesetz auf den Thron erhoben, und wahre Freiheit zur Grundlage des Staatsgebäudes gemacht worden, so wollte ich auf ewig von den Musen Abschied nehmen, und dem herrlichsten aller Kunstwerke, der Monarchie der Vernunft, alle meine Thätigkeit widmen.

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