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    Smile Pick your favorite Meistersinger from these two.

    I know there are many others, but I'm curious to see how these come out. Thanks
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    Kubelik stereo meister and parsifal are very good (as you well know), but the admission price has always been painful



    Too bad we do not have a Kubelik Ring recorded from 1970s.............
    Last edited by DarkAngel; Jun-10-2017 at 02:54.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    I know there are many others, but I'm curious to see how these come out. Thanks
    There certainly are others, but these are really the two top contenders as a first or only recording. Both casts are strong, although I give the edge to Solti because of the presence of Ben Heppner as Stolzing. But the Kubelik is, I think, more coherently conducted.

    I do wish that the Decca engineers hadn't tried so hard to remove all evidence that the Solti was recorded live - in the process, they also removed all of the hall ambience and made the recording sound a bit sterile.

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    Solti 2nd recording , but as Solti fan and Karita Mattila as well , easy this one.
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    Only 4 votes?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Last edited by Itullian; Jun-11-2017 at 18:46.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    We had a lot off polls whilst you where away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    We had a lot off polls whilst you where away.
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    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    For me, Kubelik by a long distance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    There certainly are others, but these are really the two top contenders as a first or only recording.
    I don't know about that, I think even among modern recordings, Haitink's from the Royal Opera House beats out Solti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faustian View Post
    I don't know about that, I think even among modern recordings, Haitink's from the Royal Opera House beats out Solti.
    I had that one. I didn't care for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faustian View Post
    I don't know about that, I think even among modern recordings, Haitink's from the Royal Opera House beats out Solti.
    I haven't heard this one in a while. I remember that it's largely very good, but I have "issues" with John Tomlinson as Sachs. It's an imposing voice, if not a very attractive one, but it's a *Wotan* voice, rather than a Hans Sachs voice. I know that a lot of singers essay both roles, but they're rarely equally successful in both (Schorr and Hotter are really the sole exceptions). For me, Tomlinson's assumption lacks warmth and charm, essential for the role.

    I'll pull this out for another listen in the next few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    I had that one. I didn't care for it.
    *Shrug* I don't particularly care for the Solti, overall. I don't really care for Karajan's studio Meistersinger either, but I've seen others sing its praises. I was simply questioning the view that the Solti and Kubelik are the *only* contenders for a "first or only recording".
    Last edited by Faustian; Jun-27-2017 at 21:23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    I haven't heard this one in a while. I remember that it's largely very good, but I have "issues" with John Tomlinson as Sachs. It's an imposing voice, if not a very attractive one, but it's a *Wotan* voice, rather than a Hans Sachs voice. I know that a lot of singers essay both roles, but they're rarely equally successful in both (Schorr and Hotter are really the sole exceptions). For me, Tomlinson's assumption lacks warmth and charm, essential for the role.

    I'll pull this out for another listen in the next few days.
    I agree with you that John Tomlinson is a slightly rough Hans Sachs, but to his advantage he hardly tires and he sings the role with conviction. As I've noted before, Meistersinger requires dedicated team-work from a huge cast, and I think one can poke holes in any recorded performance of the opera, but the all-round standard of the soloists and the splendor of the chorus and orchestra make Haitink's an exhilarating and moving set in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faustian View Post
    *Shrug* I don't particularly care for the Solti, overall. I don't really care for Karajan's studio Meistersinger either, but I've seen others sing its praises. I was simply questioning the view that the Solti and Kubelik are the *only* contenders for a "first or only recording".
    I'm listening to the first act of the Haitink right now. I'm not far into it, but it's certainly better conducted than the Solti. Just listen to David's long scene, since Lippert is David in both recordings. He and Haitink are in sync, in a way that Lippert and Solti are not.

    Karajan's studio recording is a mixed bag. Kollo is certainly better here than he was a few years later for Solti 1, but he's no match for Heppner or Konya. On the other hand, Donath is a delightful Eva, one my favorites on record, although I suspect that she would have been a little light for the role in the theatre. The big problem is Theo Adam's Sachs. The best I can say of him is that he's not as bad as Otto Wiener.
    Last edited by wkasimer; Jun-28-2017 at 14:41.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faustian View Post
    I don't know about that, I think even among modern recordings, Haitink's from the Royal Opera House beats out Solti.
    The Haitink is better than I remembered, but I still think that I'd vote for either Solti or Kubelik over it. My recollection of Tomlinson was pretty much confirmed. He's got the stamina for the role (no small feat), but it's a rough, not very attractive sound. Still, he's better than most interpreters of the role. And as much of a Winbergh fan as I am, he seems a little underpowered for the role - no match for Heppner or Konya - and has to resort to some shouting, very uncharacteristic for him. Excellent Eva and Beckmesser, but Gwynne Howell's Pogner has seen better days.

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