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    Default Balloon Debate - Official Launch!!

    THE TALK CLASSICAL BALLOON DEBATE



    At long last the Balloon Debate has begun. Even in the face of ridicule and derission the six fearless composers were not daunted as they climbed aboard an obilously less than air-worthy dirigeable.

    They are:
    1. Mario Castelnuovo-Tedesco (represented by Mark Harwood)
    2. Dimitri Shostakovich (represented by World Violist)
    3. Giovanni Bottesini (represented by post-minimalist)
    4. Alberto Ginastera. (represented by Chi town/Philly)
    5. Richard Wagner. (represented by Bach)
    6. Gustav Mahler (represented by Handlebar)

    THE SCENE AT THE LAUNCH

    A millitry/marching band plays as the colourful globe drifts off over the Alps.
    Handkercheifs waving and ladies cheering shrink into the distance as our merry band of daring travellers soar to into the stratosphere.

    A few minutes earlier, as they boarded, they were handed some brief safety instuctions in the case of loss of air pressure. these are simple: Throw someone overboard!

    Unfortunately these instructions will have to be used immediately.

    In order to decide of whom to dispose, the composers have turned to the Talk Classical Forum where they will defend themselves in a gentlemanly and civilized manner and then allow the members to chose.

    How will this be done?

    On this board (Classical music discussion) each composer has been asked to present himself in a few short well chosen words, each in a seperate thread. This should be done by 1st of May.

    As these posts arrive here (supposedly by carrier pidgeon!), they will be open for discussion by all members of the Talk Classical Forum. Then on 7th May a poll will be made which is to decide who is least worthy to remain in the basket.

    Your choice at the poll should be made primarily on how convincing the participants have been in defending their chosen composer rather than just how much you like the actual composers in question.

    On May 14th the hapless soul will be announced and unceremoniously tossed on to the Alps below!

    The second round will then follow where the remaining composers will be asked to describe other aspects of their works, lifes and contributions to humanity.

    And now....


    We await the individual composers threads with baited breath.......

    FC (The organizer)
    Last edited by PostMinimalist; Apr-11-2009 at 20:36.

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    Thank you, P-M, for graciously inviting us on this journey.
    I, for one, shall strive to survive by means of promoting my music, rather than criticising the music and personality of others on board, even though on either front Herr Wagner could justifiably be ejected as soon as we attain an altitude from which a fall would be at least terribly distressing.
    "Music is a social act of communication among people, a gesture of friendship, the strongest there is."
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    I will let you arrange that in a later trip alone with Herr Wagner perhaps over Goat Fell!
    I love the Lochagallan and Machrie Moor stones by the way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by post-minimalist View Post
    As these posts arrive here (supposedly by carrier pidgeon!), they will be open for discussion by all members of the Talk Classical Forum. Then on 7th May a poll will be made which is to decide who is least worthy to remain in the basket.
    I prefer paper airplanes, myself...

    Had I chosen Sibelius I don't believe we would have to go through this process... just saying.

    ~WV


    Well, we got the thing off the ground, it took several days, and it would only stand to reason that a leak would blow the very day all that effort got its culmination. I think I'll start writing a string quartet on falling to one's death. Something has to keep me from going insane and throwing myself off beforehand...

    -D.D. Shostakovich


    Shosty, don't be such a pessimist.

    ~WV


    Don't call me Shosty. Those people who call me Shosty should be shot.

    -D.D. Shostakovich


    Your alliteration skills are terrible.

    ~WV


    It's different in Russian. Back off.

    -D.D. Shostakovich
    You get a frog in your throat, you sound hoarse.

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    And with that, the first case of Schizophrenia hits the balloon!

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    I should mention that the threads will have titles starting with the initials B.D. followed by the round number and the name of the composer.

    The first one is already up! Meet Mr. Alberto Ginastera if you will....

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    Alberto Ginastera has since been joined by Giovannin Bottesini and Gustav Mahler. I urge you to have a look at their threads! ('Nice suit, Mr Mahler!' - not those threads!)
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    Rather than post in the "B.D." threads, I thought I'd make mention of having read the Bottesini & Mahler contributions. If what I wrote on Ginastera is judged to be near the equal of what post wrote about Bottesini, I would take it as a delightful compliment.

    I noticed that handlebar has (beyond all doubt) a more strategic view than me! Plenty of Mahler material left for subsequent rounds. Time will tell...
    The hardest knife ill us'd doth lose his edge. Shakespeare- Sonnet 95

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    What is the purpose or idea of the "Balloon Debate"? I'm confused....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirror Image View Post
    What is the purpose or idea of the "Balloon Debate"? I'm confused....
    And I thought you were the smart one? The idea of this balloon debate is to provide an Eastertide thoroughly entertaining, highly educational discussion of the merits of a largely dragooned bunch of pretend composers who face being chucked out of some balloon as it glides over the Alps because of an ever-increasing leak which requires the jettisoning of further weight in order to stay in the air without crashing.

    You mean you aren't enjoying the fun and excitement of it all? Shame on you. I'm thoroughly enjoying every minute and can't wait for the next gripping instalment. If you can manage to stick around long enough this time, and remain out of trouble, we get to vote soon. That should be loads of fun. So don't go away, and keep focused on this thread. This should keep you out of further trouble, but don't blame me if you find it's like watching paint dry.

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    That's a heartening vote of confidence in the whole venture, Nicola. Thank you very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicola View Post
    And I thought you were the smart one? The idea of this balloon debate is to provide an Eastertide thoroughly entertaining, highly educational discussion of the merits of a largely dragooned bunch of pretend composers who face being chucked out of some balloon as it glides over the Alps because of an ever-increasing leak which requires the jettisoning of further weight in order to stay in the air without crashing.

    You mean you aren't enjoying the fun and excitement of it all? Shame on you. I'm thoroughly enjoying every minute and can't wait for the next gripping instalment. If you can manage to stick around long enough this time, and remain out of trouble, we get to vote soon. That should be loads of fun. So don't go away, and keep focused on this thread. This should keep you out of further trouble, but don't blame me if you find it's like watching paint dry.
    There's no need in being sarcastic about it. All I did was ask a simple question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirror Image View Post
    There's no need in being sarcastic about it. All I did was ask a simple question.
    The purpose of the BD was discussed earlier and all the relevant threads can be easily found, so rather than accuse me of being sarcastic I rather felt that a charge the other way round is more appropriate as it might appear that you are questioning the value of the exercise against the earlier optimistic claims.

    In any event I am not being sarcastic but realistic. This venture should have been discussed with the Administrators soon after its conception, and if they approved it they should have managed it or at least played some visibly positive role in its execution. For example, various "sticky" threads should have been set up to control the debates and voting, etc. On the contrary it wasn't done that way, and we had a member taking it upon himself to decide eligibility criteria, and at one stage it looked as though he was going to usurp a moderator role in exercising disciplinary action against anyone caught running foul of forum rules.

    Because there is no Administrator involvement, it suffers from poor organisation as a result of having to make do with inadequate arrangements. There is no continuity in the exercise, with bits of it all over the place, with long gaps in between the various contributions. For all these reasons it has lost its way and virtually collapsed. Even if there had been a greater Administrator role I still think it would have been a risky project because this Board's membership, on the whole, is not sufficiently interested in games like this. I am surprised that the project kept going given all the coercing that clearly had to be done to find enough "composers" to fill the basket.

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    Ha, looks like this thread has already been "de-railed."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicola View Post
    The purpose of the BD was discussed earlier and all the relevant threads can be easily found, so rather than accuse me of being sarcastic I rather felt that a charge the other way round is more appropriate as it might appear that you are questioning the value of the exercise against the earlier optimistic claims.

    In any event I am not being sarcastic but realistic. This venture should have been discussed with the Administrators soon after its conception, and if they approved it they should have managed it or at least played some visibly positive role in its execution. For example, various "sticky" threads should have been set up to control the debates and voting, etc. On the contrary it wasn't done that way, and we had a member taking it upon himself to decide eligibility criteria, and at one stage it looked as though he was going to usurp a moderator role in exercising disciplinary action against anyone caught running foul of forum rules.

    Because there is no Administrator involvement, it suffers from poor organisation as a result of having to make do with inadequate arrangements. There is no continuity in the exercise, with bits of it all over the place, with long gaps in between the various contributions. For all these reasons it has lost its way and virtually collapsed. Even if there had been a greater Administrator role I still think it would have been a risky project because this Board's membership, on the whole, is not sufficiently interested in games like this. I am surprised that the project kept going given all the coercing that clearly had to be done to find enough "composers" to fill the basket.
    Oh no. Here we go again.

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