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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    I know of no better Hollander production than this one. This is the one that blew me and my son away. Perfect Senta, perfect Hollander, in fact, everyone in the cast is great. So this IS my favorite (wish it were also on CD):
    It’s definitely a good one! My only disappointment is that there are cuts in it.

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    I'll be odd man out I guess and go for Solti's exciting recording.
    It was my first Dutchman on vinyl and with its latest excellent remastering remains
    my favorite. Not perfect, but the orchestra is awesome. I like Bailey in the title role.
    The Senta is a bit shrill but exciting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kineno View Post
    It’s definitely a good one! My only disappointment is that there are cuts in it.
    I was not aware of the cuts. A shame.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
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    Default Wagner Challenge update - Favourite STEREO DFH



    Wagner
    DER FLIEGENDE HOLLÄNDER WWV 63
    Robert Hale
    Hildegard Behrens
    Kurt Rydl
    Josef Protschka
    Uwe Heilmann
    Iris Vermillion

    Konzertvereinigung Wiener Staatsopernchor
    Wiener Philharmoniker
    Cristoph von Dohnányi
    Decca (1991)




    Wagner
    DER FLIEGENDE HOLLÄNDER WWV 63 Live recording
    Franz Crass
    Anja Silja
    Josef Greindl
    Fritz Uhl
    Georg Paskuda
    Res Fischer

    Chor und Orchester der Bayreuther Festspiele
    Wolfgang Sawallisch
    Decca (1961/2008 Reissue Edition)


    Now that I carelessly broke my 1000 posts number in New Members, I share with you my favourite stereo Holländers. Apart from these two, I also like Sinopoli / Deutsches Oper Berlin. And nothing else (in stereo). I must thank Florestan/Fritz Kobus for the Dohnányi shout-out. After the disastrous Bruckner recordings, he wasn't on my list at all, but once I was getting extremely bored by the highly-praised Klemperer, I gave it a go and while it's not "desert-island", the whole cast and the orchestra are on top. On my buy list.

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    Glad to see Sawallisch's recording getting some love. It looks pretty awful on paper, but is much better than it looks, thanks mostly to Sawallisch, the Bayreuth acoustic, and most of all, Franz Crass, who is, I think, the best Dutchman on record (and no, I'm not forgetting Hotter, or anyone else).

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    I agree that the Sinopoli recording with Studer and Domingo is fabulous, one of the best versions of the stereo era.

    The best Fliegender Holländer however is Fricsay 1952 with Metternich, Greindl, Windgassen and Kupper - an excellent idiomatic cast and the most exciting Wagner conducting of the century.

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    The Dohnanyi one U.S. Very good with the VPO

    A pity they have cut Senta's aria between discs

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    The Dohnanyi one U.S. Very good with the VPO

    A pity they have cut Senta's aria between discs
    I have never understood why some record producers do this - it also ruins the otherwise acceptable Barenboim Holländer on Teldec completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    The Dohnanyi one U.S. Very good with the VPO

    A pity they have cut Senta's aria between discs
    I found the cut well-done. Her aria "almost" finishes. When it continues in Disc 2, it starts with the female chorus whispers in the back and then Senta finishes the ballad. However, when Senta finishes Erik storms in the scene and the music doens't stop from then (to make a more coherent cut).

    Quote Originally Posted by alanmichael1 View Post
    I have never understood why some record producers do this - it also ruins the otherwise acceptable Barenboim Holländer on Teldec completely.
    For me, there is only one to blame for the Barenboim otherwise decent account: the hilarious miscast of Rolando Villazón as the Steersman.
    Hands down for the overture.
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    Please delete. Double post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    Please delete. Double post.
    Villazón is okay for me, but Jane Eaglen's high notes sound shrill and ugly. In the Berlin competition of anglophone Sentas she has no chance against Chery Studer (whose German in absolutely perfect).

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmichael1 View Post
    The best Fliegender Holländer however is Fricsay 1952 with Metternich, Greindl, Windgassen and Kupper - an excellent idiomatic cast and the most exciting Wagner conducting of the century.
    I'd agree with this, except that Kupper's Senta is a distinct liability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    I'd agree with this, except that Kupper's Senta is a distinct liability.
    Yes, Kupper has a moment of weak intonation in her ballad and sounds a little bit too hysteric. But strangely I like her voice and her interpretations. She recorded many complete operas for German radio in the 50s, and I love her Aida (with Max Lorenz and Margarete Klose) and her Fiordiligi (with Schock, Töpper, Jochum).

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    I don't think that anyone's mentioned this one:



    Nissen was a terrific singer and a fantastic Dutchman, and the rest of the cast is excellent. It's available on Preiser, although it may be OOP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    Nissen was a terrific singer and a fantastic Dutchman, and the rest of the cast is excellent. It's available on Preiser, although it may be OOP.
    Nissen really is a fine singer. I enjoy his work a lot.

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