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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    I don't think that anyone's mentioned this one:



    Nissen was a terrific singer and a fantastic Dutchman, and the rest of the cast is excellent. It's available on Preiser, although it may be OOP.
    Yes, this is a good one. Well worth hunting down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    Yes, this is a good one. Well worth hunting down.
    Yup, very good--there's also an outstanding Act 3 Meistersinger with Bohm, Nissen, Ralf and Teschemacher that's worth hunting down.

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    There's also a complete Toscanini Meistersinger with Nissen in somewhat rougher sound, and at a criminal price right now on Amazon, but worth looking for a reasonably priced copy if you make a lot of allowances for recording quality.

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    ps - decided to spin the Toscanini Meistersinger since it's been forever since I listened to it. Regarding the discussion we've been having about quality of singing then versus now, it just occurred to me that the David on this performance would probably make a better Siegfried than many of the Siegfrieds we've been inflicted with lately.
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    I think I may have just heard the best Dutchman ever. youtube
    1944 Krauss, Hans Hotter, awesome!!!
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    I think I may have just heard the best Dutchman ever. youtube
    1944 Krauss, Hans Hotter, awesome!!!
    I have it on my 43 CD complete Wagner opera set. Will have to listen this weekend. I just checked out my two test tracks:

    Hollander: Die Frist ist um

    Senta: Traft ihr das Schiff im Meere an

    It IS Awesome!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    I think I may have just heard the best Dutchman ever. youtube
    1944 Krauss, Hans Hotter, awesome!!!
    And Hotter's dutchman heard here also 50 MET radio broadcast........I am not aware of any Bayreuth performances of the role since 51 re-opening

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    I think I may have just heard the best Dutchman ever. youtube
    1944 Krauss, Hans Hotter, awesome!!!
    You enjoy Ursuleac's performance as Senta?

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    Quote Originally Posted by howlingfantods View Post
    You enjoy Ursuleac's performance as Senta?
    I don't think that anyone does....

    There's a third Hotter Dutchman, conducted by Schüchter:

    schuchter.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by howlingfantods View Post
    You enjoy Ursuleac's performance as Senta?
    I thought it was ok. Certainly some exciting high notes.
    But Hotter and the tenor are amazing
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    I don't think that anyone does....
    There may have been a hint of disbelief in my question

    Never heard that Schuchter. Is it any good?

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    Listening to it now from my Wagner Complete Opera set. Love this cover I found on Amazon:
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Default Wagner Challenge update - Favourite MONO DFH

    Winner




    Wagner
    DER FLIEGENDE HOLLÄNDER WWV 63 Live recording
    Hermann Uhde
    Astrid Varnay
    Ludwig Weber
    Wolfgang Windgassen
    Josef Traxel
    Elisabeth Schärtel

    Chor und Orchester der Bayreuther Festspiele
    Hans Knappertsbusch
    Orfeo/Walhall (1955, Remastered Edition)


    Honourable mention:



    Wagner
    DER FLIEGENDE HOLLÄNDER WWV 63 Live recording
    Hans Hotter
    Astrid Varnay
    Sven Nilsson
    Set Svanholm
    Thomas Haysward
    Hertha Glaz

    Metropolitan Opera Orchestra and Chorus
    Fritz Reiner
    Sony Classical (1950/2013 Remastered Edition)


    First episode of the second and probably most exciting part of the Wagner challenge: the mono recordings. The Holländer mono selection has as much quality and quantity as the Stereo counterpart. Two big let-downs: Keilberth Bayreuth 56 and one of DA’s favourites: Sawallisch Bayreuth 59. It’s very hard for them (especially Rysanek and London) to confront a Varnay in her peak led by Kna. The singing lacked the punch of Sawallisch on the pit, and Keilberth rushed the score to reveal the weaknesses of Varnay’s aging voice. I was quite happy with the Krauss 44 and Fricsay studio recordings.

    As an honourable mention, I quite liked the 1950 Met Broadcast conducted by Fritz Reiner. He is fine in the pit, but not as good as Hotter and Varnay together in lustrous voice. Sony is the remaster to get, not the older Naxos. I love how Hotter gives emotion to the Dutchman character and Varnay sings Senta without the vocal issues from late 50s.

    My favourite recording of the selection was the Knappertsbusch only evening in Bayreuth 1955. He gives the impulse and pauses that unveil a new Wagner to my ears, apart from an immense chorus, a whole different league. His style benefits Varnay the most. Uhde is an emotional Dutchman too, with more vocal projection than Hotter. Windgassen's Erik is intense and dramatic and Varnay’s Senta grows from the Ballad. As the last remark, just that I tell the difference between Orfeo and Walhall, and others, in the tape hiss.


    ...
    3rd: Fricsay RIAS
    4th: Kraus BaySO
    5th: Schippers Met 60
    6th: Sawallisch BFO 59
    7th: Keilberth BFO 56
    8th: Schüchter NDR 51

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    Uhde is an emotional Dutchman too, with more vocal projection than Hotter.
    What do you mean here? No gripes, I'm just curious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonetan View Post
    What do you mean here? No gripes, I'm just curious...
    It's a nice study. I really like both as the Dutchman. Probably I should have said that Uhde to my ears sounds slightly more emotional than Hotter (Krauss 44 and Reiner 50). What I do state is Uhde's style in the portrayal versus Hotter's. Hotter, especially in Krauss 44, sings with less power than many singers in his place, but focusing the effort on the notes more than filling the house. Thus, he is able to convey a great deal of drama. Uhde does fill the festspielhaus but at the same time that projection keeps the tune, almost to the point of being oversweet. I really like it. However, I repeat that the decisive factor in the winning recording is not Uhde, but Knappertsbusch.
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    Do you know if the Knappy '55 has the original or revised redemption ending?
    thanks
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    Do you know if the Knappy '55 has the original or revised redemption ending?
    thanks
    It has the redemption ending.

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