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    Quote Originally Posted by howlingfantods View Post
    It has the redemption ending.
    Howling, Nice avatar picture!
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    Listened to this on youtube last night.
    Wow, Uhde and Varnay are amazing!
    And Knappy really nails the drama.
    Good sound too.
    Number one now I think.

    On my wish list.
    Last edited by Itullian; Dec-16-2017 at 16:02.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howlingfantods View Post
    There may have been a hint of disbelief in my question

    Never heard that Schuchter. Is it any good?
    Yes and no:



    Wagner
    DER FLIEGENDE HOLLÄNDER WWV 63
    Hans Hotter
    Helene Werth
    Kurt Böhme
    Bernd Aldenhoff
    Helmut Krebs
    Res Fischer

    Chor und Sinfonieorchester des Norddeutschen Rundfunks
    Wilhelm Schüchter
    Walhall (1951/2004 Remastered Edition)


    This one was the last in my Mono challenge and I didn't have very negative comments for it. For example, the nice sound quality that provides the studio ambience. It was generally well sung, with the Dutchman, Hotter, in great shape (never as impressive as in 44 or 50). Helmut Krebs also gave his best as the steersman. My problem was the flat interpretation of the score (I really like the brisky opposite of Sawallisch) and a standard Helene Werth as Senta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    What year was this Flo? Ah I see it was 1974. Here's a link to a download of the audio recording

    https://wagnerdisco.net/video/der-fl...lisch-munchen/
    Coming back to this thread, but still puzzled as I don't find an audio link. I could simply rip my DVD but prefer an actual CD release.

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    I now have a respectable collection of 16 Hollanders: Nelsson, Dohnanyi, Bohm, Parry (Chandos sung in English), Fricsay, Klemperer (both studio and live), Minkowski, Sawallisch '66 and Sawallisch '59 (but long for the Sawallisch with Silja), Sinopoli, Solti, Varvisio, Weil, Levine, and Krauss '44.

    Make that 17 Hollanders. Just ordered the Konwitschny set!

    This is probably my second largest collection next to Fidelio!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    I now have a respectable collection of 16 Hollanders: Nelsson, Dohnanyi, Bohm, Parry (Chandos sung in English), Fricsay, Klemperer (both studio and live), Minkowski, Sawallisch '66 and Sawallisch '59 (but long for the Sawallisch with Silja), Sinopoli, Solti, Varvisio, Weil, Levine, and Krauss '44.

    Make that 17 Hollanders. Just ordered the Konwitschny set!

    This is probably my second largest collection next to Fidelio!
    Just ordered the Dorati Hollander, so now 18 Hollanders!

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    ^^

    Well, you could sell two or three of those Holländers and then buy the Orfeo Master release of the Knappertsbusch Bayreuth 55. I would settle with the Walhall release but I heard that you care about SQ in mono.

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    One day the complete Philips Wagner Bayreuth Box will be reissued again with all the operas + the Kna Parsifal. Then you'll get the Sawallisch Holländer too (my favourite in Stereo, together with the Dohnányi you spotted earlier)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post


    Listened to this on youtube last night.
    Wow, Uhde and Varnay are amazing!
    And Knappy really nails the drama.
    Good sound too.
    Number one now I think.

    On my wish list.
    I've usually found Bayreuth sound disappointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    I've usually found Bayreuth sound disappointing.
    Do you own on CD the Digital Dohnányi recording with the Wiener Philharmoniker? (if that is your SQ favourite)

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    For me, it is also quite of the definitive Dutchman. Karajan can bring out the wind, so to speak, of this piece. Moll is indeed definitive for a kind of role like Daland (his a-bit earlier Gurnemanz, also with Karajan, is the best.) Dunja Vejzovic is not bad in the Ballad. My only complaint is that in the ghost chorus section in Act 3, you can barely hear the chorus onstage, let alone the chorus "offstage", overshadowed by the piccolos and wind effects (cf Karajan's Tristan Act 1 Finale, where the mens' chorus is overshadowed by the brass.) All in all, it seems to be the best Dutchman.

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    What does anybody think of Ricarda Merbeth as Senta? She is on two CD recordings.

    On this new CD release I find her to be okay:


    But on this release I like her a lot more:


    In either case I don't know that she is the best Senta out there, or even in the top tier. I suspect not.
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    Hey woah, I was surfing on Amazon and this popped up. It looks like it is awesome! I have to watch it! Is it only on VHS? Where can I get it on DVD?

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    Fritz, I don’t think a DVD version has been commercially released. Here’s one from Premiere Opera: https://www.premiereoperaintl.com/dv...gdutchman.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaWeinst View Post
    For me, it is also quite of the definitive Dutchman. Karajan can bring out the wind, so to speak, of this piece. Moll is indeed definitive for a kind of role like Daland (his a-bit earlier Gurnemanz, also with Karajan, is the best.) Dunja Vejzovic is not bad in the Ballad. My only complaint is that in the ghost chorus section in Act 3, you can barely hear the chorus onstage, let alone the chorus "offstage", overshadowed by the piccolos and wind effects (cf Karajan's Tristan Act 1 Finale, where the mens' chorus is overshadowed by the brass.) All in all, it seems to be the best Dutchman.
    I couldn't disagree more about Karajan's Dutchman. I picked up a CD of highlights, but quickly got rid of it. Karajan's tendency to exaggerate contrasts begins right away with the overemphatic timpani in the overture, followed by the slowest, softest, sleepiest bit from Senta's Ballad ever heard. Dunja Vejzovic was an erratic soprano Karajan used both here and in his Parsifal for reasons I can't fathom, and her Senta shows the same vocal inconsistencies that mar her Kundry and doesn't sound for a moment like a girl in love. Kurt Moll as Daland is fine, but no more "definitive" than, say, Gottlob Frick, who has more character. Van Dam's Dutchman is neatly sung, but microphones can't disguise the fact that his voice is not the real Wagner-hero, bass-baritone thing, and Karajan's thundering orchestra only makes this more obvious. Peter Hoffmann's Erik is, like his Parsifal, strained and unimpressive.

    Karajan can be relied on to blow the roof off the place at the big moments, if that appeals, but on the whole this impresses me as another overcalculated, overengineered, undersung, late Karajan studio job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rw181383 View Post
    Fritz, I don’t think a DVD version has been commercially released. Here’s one from Premiere Opera: https://www.premiereoperaintl.com/dv...gdutchman.aspx
    Only it does not include subtitles. Might still be worth it though.
    https://www.premiereoperaintl.com/se...?find=DVD+5331
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