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    Post Wagner operas on disc....The Flying Dutchman

    It's no secret I love Wagner's operas.
    So I thought I'd go through them all, one at a time
    starting with the first of his big 10.

    So what's your favorite Dutchman?
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    59 Bayreuth - Sawallisch

    Great Dutchie from a time when many are to found, including excellent 55 Keilberth and 55 Knap (both Uhde & Varnay), something about the Rysanek-London duo that works like magic. Not stereo but performance so good you will not notice (too much)

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    My absolute favorite:


    These two are next on my list:

    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    I always have multiple favorites of Wagner operas.

    Bayreuth 1959 is a great one, as is the Met performance from the following year, also with Rysanek and London. Other favorites are Bayreuth 1955 with Knappertsbusch (Uhde is superb in the title role), Bayreuth 1962 (great sound, but a rather ragtag cast, except for Franz Crass, who is the best Dutchman on record. The second best Dutchman, Hans Hotter, is featured on three recordings - I like the Met 1950 performance best.

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    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    "Mahatma Gandhi"

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    These three are all close for me, but I probably listen to the first a little more often nowadays.

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    My "favorite". Not the one I'd actually recommend though, since it's an unusual outlier cast and take on the opera. Sinopoli emphasizes the grace and lyricism in a way that's highly singular but I find very convincing. Weikl is too small for the part, but he works well within Sinopoli's almost pre-Wagnerian take on the opera. Domingo and Studer are excellent, and Domingo's ardor makes Erik almost a real character.


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    The ones I'd probably recommend. I gnash my teeth that Rysanek and Uhde (or Hotter) never recorded this with Keilberth or Sawallisch or Bohm, since they're my favorite performers for these roles. The Keilberth has better sound and the unmatched Hollander, but the Bohm has a stronger overall cast, especially with Konya ideally cast as Erik.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    I always have multiple favorites of Wagner operas.

    Bayreuth 1959 is a great one, as is the Met performance from the following year, also with Rysanek and London. Other favorites are Bayreuth 1955 with Knappertsbusch (Uhde is superb in the title role), Bayreuth 1962 (great sound, but a rather ragtag cast, except for Franz Crass, who is the best Dutchman on record. The second best Dutchman, Hans Hotter, is featured on three recordings - I like the Met 1950 performance best.
    I also love the Dutchman of Hans Hotter, the 50 MET is a saturday radio broadcast also showcasing Astrid right before her debut at 51 Bayreuth re-opening.....R Bing came on and was in the process of downsizing wagner at the MET so perfect career transition to Bayreuth for Varnay's wagner performances.....




    I think HTF mentioned that Bohm with Konya before, will have to look into that (but not at current Amazon used prices)
    Update: I did buy that last time HTF mentioned it..........
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    I'm not a fan of the Dutchman and I'm not sure which is my favourite.

    I don't have Keilberth 55...

    I'm gonna need to buy another house with all these TC historical Wagner threads.

    N.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    Why do you like this recording if I may ask? The reviews out there were lukewarm so I didn't put it in the Wagner Challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    Why do you like this recording if I may ask? The reviews out there were lukewarm so I didn't put it in the Wagner Challenge.
    First of all I like Hofmann's voice very much and for me this is Karajan/ Wagner in top form. Second and no pun intended, I don't really care what professional critics are saying/ writhing. I trust my ears.
    On that note, you shell see when Tristan comes up, I am ( likely) the only one with my choice or Lohengrin for that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    Why do you like this recording if I may ask? The reviews out there were lukewarm so I didn't put it in the Wagner Challenge.
    For me, Jose van Dam makes it essential listening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    For me, Jose van Dam makes it essential listening.
    Agree completely--it's not an entirely successful recording, and van Dam is hardly the prototypical Hollander, but it's a beautifully sung performance. Same for Moll, who's again not a prototypical Daland, but it's a pleasure to listen to him.

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    Probably Bayreuth 1955, both editions.
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    I know of no better Hollander production than this one. This is the one that blew me and my son away. Perfect Senta, perfect Hollander, in fact, everyone in the cast is great. So this IS my favorite (wish it were also on CD):
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florestan View Post
    I know of no better Hollander production than this one. This is the one that blew me and my son away. Perfect Senta, perfect Hollander, in fact, everyone in the cast is great. So this IS my favorite (wish it were also on CD):
    What year was this Flo? Ah I see it was 1974. Here's a link to a download of the audio recording

    https://wagnerdisco.net/video/der-fl...lisch-munchen/
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