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    Kollo may not be to everyone's taste but compared to what's available now he is a veritable giant!
    Remember that the lesser of two evils is still evil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    Kollo may not be to everyone's taste but compared to what's available now he is a veritable giant!
    I was actually thinking more of Klaus König for Haitink, but now that you mention it, Kollo is pretty dire, too....

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    Paris version, with Sinopoli shading it over Solti. Sinopoli has the better cast overall, although the Solti recording remains spectacular, and Christa Ludwig's Venus is (IMHO) the best ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    but now that you mention it, Kollo is pretty dire, too....
    Except that he's not.
    Remember that the lesser of two evils is still evil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    Kollo may not be to everyone's taste but compared to what's available now he is a veritable giant!
    I prefer Smith in the 2012 Janowski Pentatone recording over Kollo pretty easily.

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    Not too keen on R D Smith. Much prefer Kollo I'm afraid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    Except that he's not.
    I quite admire Kollo's obvious ardor in the role and his intelligence as an interpreter. Unfortunately I find him lacking in the technical demands of the role, but I wouldn't say he is awful.

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    Odd man out again.
    Since I prefer the Dresden version, i can't wait for the Venusburg music to end,
    i like this one.
    Well conducted and the voices are fine with me.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    Not too keen on R D Smith. Much prefer Kollo I'm afraid
    You might prefer him but I think it's a pretty huge exaggeration to say that Kollo is a giant compared to today's performers. I'm no big fan of Smith fan either but compared to Kollo's fundamentally ugly and strained singing in the Solti Tannhauser? I'll take Smith. At least he sings instead of growls, and the strain is audible even in Kollo's early years.

    ETA - Seiffert's getting on in years but a decade ago, I'd have picked his Tannhauser over Kollo's even more easily actually.
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    The late Johan Botha was vocally magnificent in this role; I heard him do it in Chicago and at the Met. No commercial recordings, but there were broadcasts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post


    Odd man out again.
    Since I prefer the Dresden version, i can't wait for the Venusburg music to end,
    i like this one.
    Well conducted and the voices are fine with me.
    I like this one too, but I wish this caught Windgassen a few years earlier, and I'm not fond of Tannhausers that casts the same singer for both Venus and Elisabeth, as much as I enjoy listening to Nilsson sing anything. The energy flags at times too, and I wasn't super surprised after listening to this a few times to learn that conducting wasn't Gerdes' usual gig.

    Another recommendable but flawed recording of the Dresden version that hasn't been mentioned yet is the Konwitschny/Hopf/Grummer/Schech recording, some very strong and not so strong performances.

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    It's a little late in the day for Grummer but she's a superb Elisabeth, perhaps the best on record. Hopf is big but ungainly and hamfisted but is more tolerable than usual mainly because of the weakness of the recorded competition. Schech is pretty wavery and unsensual as Venus though, but DFD has one of his most successful Wagner outings as Wolfram here while he was still in finer voice and less mannered than later in the Gerdes. Luxury casting of Wunderlich as Walther, excellent.

    As much as I turned up my nose at this recording because of Hopf's starring role initially, this recording has grown on me a fair amount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howlingfantods View Post
    You might prefer him but I think it's a pretty huge exaggeration to say that Kollo is a giant compared to today's performers. I'm no big fan of Smith fan either but compared to Kollo's fundamentally ugly and strained singing in the Solti Tannhauser? I'll take Smith. At least he sings instead of growls, and the strain is audible even in Kollo's early years.

    ETA - Seiffert's getting on in years but a decade ago, I'd have picked his Tannhauser over Kollo's even more easily actually.
    Ah well, each to his own.
    Remember that the lesser of two evils is still evil

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    Quote Originally Posted by howlingfantods View Post
    I like this one too, but I wish this caught Windgassen a few years earlier, and I'm not fond of Tannhausers that casts the same singer for both Venus and Elisabeth, as much as I enjoy listening to Nilsson sing anything. The energy flags at times too, and I wasn't super surprised after listening to this a few times to learn that conducting wasn't Gerdes' usual gig.

    Another recommendable but flawed recording of the Dresden version that hasn't been mentioned yet is the Konwitschny/Hopf/Grummer/Schech recording, some very strong and not so strong performances.

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    It's a little late in the day for Grummer but she's a superb Elisabeth, perhaps the best on record. Hopf is big but ungainly and hamfisted but is more tolerable than usual mainly because of the weakness of the recorded competition. Schech is pretty wavery and unsensual as Venus though, but DFD has one of his most successful Wagner outings as Wolfram here while he was still in finer voice and less mannered than later in the Gerdes. Luxury casting of Wunderlich as Walther, excellent.

    As much as I turned up my nose at this recording because of Hopf's starring role initially, this recording has grown on me a fair amount.
    Totally agree about using the same singer for Venus and Elisabeth. I have commented on this in the historical Wagner thread.
    Remember that the lesser of two evils is still evil

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    My first (and only) Tannhauser (one of my less favourite Wagner operas). I remember ordering it via a local record shop who, in turn, had to get it from England back when orders took weeks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kineno View Post
    Melchior/Flagstad/Leinsdorf Met 1941.
    Agreed. If you want modernish sound, then Sawallisch Bayreuth 1961.
    Hours of unrecorded, unpublished and unknown Beethoven works at The Unheard Beethoven

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