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    In that order, with a honourable mention for the : Pappano with Kaufmann/ Harteros .
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    I've four sets of Aida

    1950 Callas with Barbirolli - terrible sound though

    Callas and Gobbi with Serafin - I don't much like Tucker though and Serafin not specially dramatic

    Karajan with Tebaldi - miraculous sounds from the VPO and well sing by Italians (mainly)

    Solti with Price and Vickers - superb singing but conducting a bit jumpy

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    I've four sets of Aida

    1950 Callas with Barbirolli - terrible sound though

    Callas and Gobbi with Serafin - I don't much like Tucker though and Serafin not specially dramatic

    Karajan with Tebaldi - miraculous sounds from the VPO and well sing by Italians (mainly)

    Solti with Price and Vickers - superb singing but conducting a bit jumpy
    1953? The one to get is the 1951 Mexico City, but the sound is even worse...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    1953? The one to get is the 1951 Mexico City, but the sound is even worse...

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    It is the 1953 I have. Got it very cheap as a punt. It's a testament remaster. In the pictures Callas next to Simionato looks huge!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    It is the 1953 I have. Got it very cheap as a punt. It's a testament remaster. In the pictures Callas next to Simionato looks huge!
    I'm guessing that this is the photo! Simionato was quite short and small in stature and usually wore lifts on stage to conceal the fact. However, she always packed quite the punch!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rossiniano View Post
    I'm guessing that this is the photo! Simionato was quite short and small in stature and usually wore lifts on stage to conceal the fact. However, she always packed quite the punch!!!!

    It’s a matter of perspective! Callas is in the foreground, making her look bigger - but she was indeed taller than Simionato. She looks quite athletic, too, ready to pounce.
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    Back on Topic:


    If you want a DVD DavidA:

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAS View Post
    It’s a matter of perspective! Callas is in the foreground, making her look bigger - but she was indeed taller than Simionato. She looks quite athletic, too, ready to pounce.
    Hmmm The well upholstered Callas here is now described as 'quite athletic'. Interesting perception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAS View Post
    It’s a matter of perspective! Callas is in the foreground, making her look bigger - but she was indeed taller than Simionato. She looks quite athletic, too, ready to pounce.
    Of course that was the model 1953 Callas... the pre diet Callas... so one needs to factor that in as well in addition to the perspective of the photo. Yet she indeed looks as though she is "ready to pounce"! Of course the later svelte version was always ready to pounce as well... and like a bobcat... and probably more so! A different type of athleticism! Think "Giudici ad Anna", "La vedete il palco funesto", "Adalgisa fia punita, nelle fiamme perirá!" Etc. Plus she could could make one tremble simply with a mere glance! Run for the hills......
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Hmmm The well upholstered Callas here is now described as 'quite athletic'. Interesting perception.
    No, DavidA, I wasn’t referring to her size - we can all plainly see Callas was in her pre-1954 girth. I referred to her stance, the simmering power under the surface, ready to be unleashed by Amneris’ prodding.
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    My favourite Aida is Riccardo Muti's 1979 live broadcast from Munich with Anna Tomowa-Sintow, Placido Domingo and the great Brigitte Fassbaender as Amneris. This recording combines all the the virtues of Muti's studio recording with an even better cast and the excitement of a live performance. Orfeo has released it in splendid stereo sound from the original Bavarian radio tapes:

    https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/det...a/hnum/5654499

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmichael1 View Post
    My favourite Aida is Riccardo Muti's 1979 live broadcast from Munich with Anna Tomowa-Sintow, Placido Domingo and the great Brigitte Fassbaender as Amneris. This recording combines all the the virtues of Muti's studio recording with an even better cast and the excitement of a live performance. Orfeo has released it in splendid stereo sound from the original Bavarian radio tapes:

    https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/det...a/hnum/5654499
    I’ve never heard that version, but I’d be curious to know if the non-Italian cast is at all idiomatic in this music (I think we can accept Mr. Domingo as being almost Italian). I know Miss Tomowa-Sintow made somewhat of a specialty in Verdi, but have not heard her much beyond a Forza and Don Carlo at San Francisco Opera in the mid-seventies from which I remember nothing. I did, however like her Donna Anna. I know that HvKarajan liked her a lot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAS View Post
    I’ve never heard that version, but I’d be curious to know if the non-Italian cast is at all idiomatic in this music (I think we can accept Mr. Domingo as being almost Italian). I know Miss Tomowa-Sintow made somewhat of a specialty in Verdi, but have not heard her much beyond a Forza and Don Carlo at San Francisco Opera in the mid-seventies from which I remember nothing. I did, however like her Donna Anna. I know that HvKarajan liked her a lot!
    Tomowa-Sintow and Fassbaender don't sound very idiomatic, but also not Teutonic or out-of-style. TBH I don't care much for idiomatic singing if the performance is great. Which Italian soprano has ever surpassed Gundula Janowitz as Elisabetta in Don Carlo on disc? I also love Placido Domingo in some German roles like Florestan or Erik though his German sounds like Julio Iglesias .

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmichael1 View Post
    TBH I don't care much for idiomatic singing if the performance is great. Which Italian soprano has ever surpassed Gundula Janowitz as Elisabetta in Don Carlo on disc?
    I don’t think many people would agree on Janowitz being the best Elisabetta in Don Carlo, bar none. Do you mean better than Caniglia, Tebaldi, Freni, Scotto, Tucci, Stella, Ricciarelli, Dessi, Frittoli, Millo? Not to mention non-Italians but more suited to the role than Janowitz IMO like Caballé, Arroyo, Margaret Price, Mary Curtis Verna, and I’m sure I’m forgetting some.
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    I doubt that sopranos like Curtis Verna, Stella or Frittoli sang ever in the class of Janowitz, no matter what role. Freni is a wonderful Zerlina. But let's wait until your Don Carlo from Vienna arrives and discuss it then :-).

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