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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    No we are not being hypocrites in giving honest opinion. The problem with the nostalgics is that everything old is good / everything new is bad.
    If by 'nostalgics' you mean those of us that like vintage recordings then I think this is an unfair accusation to make. I don't know anybody here who only likes pre 1950s recordings and don't like all those made in the last 30 years. There is one person on this forum whose ears can't hear detail on studio recordings pre 1950 and live ones pre 1980 and therefore could be said to think that everything new is good / everything old is bad, but the rest of us tend to have more balanced, nuanced views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Not earwax. Maybe cylinder wax!
    Excellent!

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    I can't like your post so have replied instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    If by 'nostalgics' you mean those of us that like vintage recordings then I think this is an unfair accusation to make. I don't know anybody here who only likes pre 1950s recordings and don't like all those made in the last 30 years. There is one person on this forum whose ears can't hear detail on studio recordings pre 1950 and live ones pre 1980 and therefore could be said to think that everything new is good / everything old is bad, but the rest of us tend to have more balanced, nuanced views.

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    Exactly. I don't know a single person who thinks that everything new is bad and everything old is good. Neither does DavidA, but then he's very good at torching strawmen (you know, those "people who...").

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    I'm going to listen to both Cetra studio recordings! It's like I ignored half of available Aida recordings when I made my challenge and posted last year. I recently listened for the first time to the 90s recordings of Maazel in La Scala and Levine in Metropolitan, plus a serious listen to the Mehta in Rome. That would count 28 Aida recordings listened and commented in my text file! I think my benchmark is reviewing 36 different recordings of Parsifal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Exactly. I don't know a single person who thinks that everything new is bad and everything old is good..
    This is actually common and there is good reason for it (not in fact but in human psychology)

    Of course I do not make this statement in absolutes but rather in generalities hence your statement is not technically wrong..
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eljr View Post
    This is actually common and there is good reason for it (not in fact but in human psychology)

    Of course I do not make this statement in absolutes but rather in generalities hence your statement is not technically wrong..
    My statement is not wrong in any sense. My statement was "I don't know a single person who thinks that everything new is bad and everything old is good." Note the words "I don't know" and "everything."

    That statement is not open to disagreement, except by the persons I know who may choose to deny that they think what I believe they think. It isn't open to disagreement by others, since they don't know which persons I know. If there are persons YOU know who think that everything new is bad and everything old is good, you might want to tell us who they are. I doubt that you could name many, if any at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    If by 'nostalgics' you mean those of us that like vintage recordings then I think this is an unfair accusation to make. I don't know anybody here who only likes pre 1950s recordings and don't like all those made in the last 30 years. There is one person on this forum whose ears can't hear detail on studio recordings pre 1950 and live ones pre 1980 and therefore could be said to think that everything new is good / everything old is bad, but the rest of us tend to have more balanced, nuanced views.

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    Yes you are right of course. I was tending to think of a certain group that posts on Youtube and give that impression with their negativity about things new. They certainly give us that impression if they are not careful. And when we are talking about 'old' don't forget the 1950s are now over 60 years old!
    As to the celebrated personage whose ears cannot hear detail on pre 1950s, I'd like to inform you that the person concerned does own recordings which date back into the 1930s. Just he prefers recordings made more recently in better sound. And when you talk about more balanced, nuanced views, you put me in mind of my friend who likes vintage cars saying he has a more balanced, nuanced view when he drives around in his vintage sports car with the roof open on a cold day! Not nuanced and balanced dear friend - just preference! I prefer to sit in the warm! As I actually prefer to hear more of the singer's overtones and the orchestra - and the whole of the opera too, I consider my view is more nuanced and balanced!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eljr View Post
    This is actually common and there is good reason for it (not in fact but in human psychology)

    Of course I do not make this statement in absolutes but rather in generalities hence your statement is not technically wrong..
    You must realise there are some people who think in literally in absolutes !
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    You must realise there are some people who think in literally in absolutes !
    the world is gray, how sad that some only see black or white
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    My statement is not wrong in any sense. My statement was "I don't know a single person who thinks that everything new is bad and everything old is good." Note the words "I don't know" and "everything."

    That statement is not open to disagreement, except by the persons I know who may choose to deny that they think what I believe they think. It isn't open to disagreement by others, since they don't know which persons I know. If there are persons YOU know who think that everything new is bad and everything old is good, you might want to tell us who they are. I doubt that you could name many, if any at all.
    You need to re-read my post. I did not say you were wrong.

    As to your notion that your statement is not open to disagreement, that is pompous and born of rigidity that can only stunt personal growth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eljr View Post
    You need to re-read my post. I did not say you were wrong.

    As to your notion that your statement is not open to disagreement, that is pompous and born of rigidity that can only stunt personal growth.
    What did I say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eljr View Post
    You need to re-read my post. I did not say you were wrong.

    As to your notion that your statement is not open to disagreement, that is pompous and born of rigidity that can only stunt personal growth.
    No. How can anyone disagree with Woodduck's statement that he doesn't know a single person who xyz

    Even if his statement weren't true, how would you know? It's not a statement that you can reasonably disagree with. Whether there are people who xyz or not is another question entirely.

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    I admit I didn't understand Duck's post at all. Puzzling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    No. How can anyone disagree with Woodduck's statement that he doesn't know a single person who xyz

    Even if his statement weren't true, how would you know? It's not a statement that you can reasonably disagree with. Whether there are people who xyz or not is another question entirely.

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    At least someone here understands English.

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