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    I tried the Brendel and then went back to Gould. Interesting comparison,the difference to me is in the piano sound. Gould preferred a lighter, slightly brighter sound. He started on an etiolated Steinway and produced some recordings almost halfway between a piano and a harpsichord. It is no surprise that he ended up playing a Yamaha. I find Brendel's sound a little too rich, sonorous and pianistic. I'm not entirely convinced by his more modern dynamics either.

    I enjoy playing Bach (and any Baroque) on the piano. I love the harpsichord sound and would like to have both the room (and the money) to afford a nice 2 manual one - even a modern reproduction would do. We even have a local maker who supplies a local Baroque ensemble so I would also have ready access to a good tuner.
    Music begins where words leave off. Music expresses the inexpressible.

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    You're obviously a discerning listener; lovely to see!! And now before the mosquitoes eat us before we eat barbeque my last offering tonight (which I've posted before):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r5kecJfS2I

    Berliner Philharmoniker Digital Concert Hall tonight; Ton Koopman conducting Bach B Minor Mass!!

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    Stunning playing; wonderful composer (Rameau).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OYHrCLsKR8

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    Another version - expressive singers, and I just love the way the camera homes in on the baroque bows.

    ~ Mollie ~
    My fiddle my joy.

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    We listened to this in the car last night - wow! I loved every last ripple and jangle.
    There was such a lot of interest, and so much variation.
    Bach & Trevor Pinnock = a match made in = Guy can write, Guy can play!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingélou View Post
    Another version - expressive singers, and I just love the way the camera homes in on the baroque bows.

    Wow, this is fantastic! So much passion and expressivity. Thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingélou View Post
    We listened to this in the car last night - wow! I loved every last ripple and jangle.
    There was such a lot of interest, and so much variation.
    Bach & Trevor Pinnock = a match made in = Guy can write, Guy can play!

    I'm preparing a 2 hour lecture for next year for our community Music Appreciation group (which has retired musicians and pedagogues). It is part 2 of a series: "Baroque Music for the Theatre". This year it was "Purcell - England" and next year it is "Rameau - France". Purcell is very accessible but the music of the French baroque is a horse of a different colour. Theatre music of Lully and Rameau isn't always easy to listen to and his operas are very different from their English and Italian counterparts. Everything from ornamentation, structure and musical ambitus is very different. I think Rameau is more of an acquired taste when you think of the large works like the operas. I saw "Castor and Pollux" at Theater an der Wien in 2011 with Les Talens Lyriques/Rousset and it was extraordinary. You may not know this One Act opera/ballet, "Pygmalion", by Rameau but I adore it. In the wonderful Overture here played by Les Talens you can hear the chipping of the sculptor's chisel from about 1:40. Sublime!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGTdKMN9NbQ

    This below is the performance I have myself on CD and the Overture emphasizes the sculptor's chisel much more than the Rousset, but the latter is a more 'refined' performance (if I can put it that way). Wait after the Overture to hear "Fatal amour" where the sculptor laments the fact that the statue is making him (her creator) miserable because of her beauty!! Men. Sheesh!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdnHx03VNPo

    Go to 45:45 to hear THE most elegant French dance.
    Last edited by CountenanceAnglaise; Oct-29-2017 at 11:34. Reason: Forgot to put name of opera

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    ^^^ The first of your links is no longer available!

    Just listened to the dance - very nice, quite jaunty, though I have to confess to preferring Lully, maybe because he's not so elegant!

    Hope your lecture goes well.

    We are going to an English Touring Opera version of Rameau's Dardanus at Snape on Friday. It is modern dress, which isn't our taste, but the music and singing got a good write-up, plus my fiddle teacher is playing viola in the Old Street Band, so we're looking forward to it.
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...-touring-opera
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    Decided to listen to the whole concert. I'm already halfway through and enjoying it immensely. Thanks Ingelou!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Marinera View Post
    Decided to listen to the whole concert. I'm already halfway through and enjoying it immensely. Thanks Ingelou!
    I didn't know about this, so thank you, Marinera!
    I hope to listen to it later on today.

    Meditating on my fiddle teacher who plays HIP viola in The Old Street Band and La Serenissima, I realised that I know very little about baroque music written for the instrument.

    There's this one -



    - and I would love to know about others.
    Despite the jokes, is there anyone on the planet who doesn't love the sound of the viola?
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    My listening this morning and so beautiful and expressive.


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    Here's a piece by Marais called Tombeau for Mr Meliton. Which famous piece of music by J S Bach does the tune at the start remind you of?

    Last edited by Mandryka; Oct-29-2017 at 13:33.

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    In his book "The Musical Dialogue" Harnoncourt says that the main theme for the opening chorus of the St. Matthew Passion is a direct quote from Marais' Tombeau. I think anyone with a working pair of ears would have to agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICK RIEKERT View Post
    In his book "The Musical Dialogue" Harnoncourt says that the main theme for the opening chorus of the St. Matthew Passion is a direct quote from Marais' Tombeau. I think anyone with a working pair of ears would have to agree.
    Have you seen the new Cavazzoni CD, Rick, from Glen Wilson?

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    I have, Mandryka. It's a lovely sounding disc and as usual Glen Wilson adorns everything he touches. Catalina Vicens is also a talented harpsichordist who specializes in this music. She released a superb recording earlier this year called "Il Cembalo di Partenope". You can hear her on YouTube. Cavazzoni is another "Divino" who excelled at the ricercar, Francesco da Milano being the other. Knowing your previous, mostly unfelicitous, approaches to the music of Adrian Willaert, I'm curious to know your thoughts on his Ricercar XIV which Wilson calls "a masterpiece beyond all praise".

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