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    Hello. I just ask this here so I don't open another thread elsewhere

    Anyone knows why the Karajan studio Parsifal was recorded for DG and not for EMI like all the operas outside Tannhäuser and the Ring? It shouldn't be a breach of contract (it happened like in 1984, not 1980) and casts like the lable didn't matter (the 1974 Salzburg Meistersinger features Janowitz, and not Donath, as Eva).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    Hello. I just ask this here so I don't open another thread elsewhere

    Anyone knows why the Karajan studio Parsifal was recorded for DG and not for EMI like all the operas outside Tannhäuser and the Ring? It shouldn't be a breach of contract (it happened like in 1984, not 1980) and casts like the lable didn't matter (the 1974 Salzburg Meistersinger features Janowitz, and not Donath, as Eva).
    I think it was just that he was under contract to both. Karajan of course sometimes recorded his operas to co-incide with his Salzburg Festival productions. Mastersingers was made in Dresden anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    Hello. I just ask this here so I don't open another thread elsewhere

    Anyone knows why the Karajan studio Parsifal was recorded for DG and not for EMI like all the operas outside Tannhäuser and the Ring? It shouldn't be a breach of contract (it happened like in 1984, not 1980) and casts like the lable didn't matter (the 1974 Salzburg Meistersinger features Janowitz, and not Donath, as Eva).
    If I remember Richard Osborne's biography correctly, Karajan didn't work exclusively for any label. At the time of the Parsifal he also recorded Tosca and Magic Flute for DG and Figaro for Decca.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    Anyone knows why the Karajan studio Parsifal was recorded for DG and not for EMI like all the operas outside Tannhäuser and the Ring? It shouldn't be a breach of contract (it happened like in 1984, not 1980) and casts like the lable didn't matter (the 1974 Salzburg Meistersinger features Janowitz, and not Donath, as Eva).
    I don't believe that any label had Karajan signed to an exlusive contract, at least not at that point in his career. He was the most powerful figure in music at that time, and could record with whomever he wished, whenever he wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanmichael1 View Post
    If I remember Richard Osborne's biography correctly, Karajan didn't work exclusively for any label. At the time of the Parsifal he also recorded Tosca and Magic Flute for DG and Figaro for Decca.
    So then EMI put no pressure to bring Karajan to their lable to try to complete the Bayreuth Canon, as they did later with Holländer in 1983? EMI had not even recorded Goodall's Parsifal and DG already had Boulez from Bayreuth, Decca had Solti, and Philips had Knappertsbusch. Did EMI seriously had no hurry with Parsifal but recorded a Digital Holländer when they already had Klemperer?

    What if it was a punishment for the Lohengrin financial overcost? Not that it was Karajan and Kollo's fault.

    Also, by that time Karajan finished recording his EMI Sibelius symphonies & tone poems, refusing to do Symphonies No.3 and No.7 to complete a cycle...
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    Osborne writes a long enthusiastic chapter about the Parsifal recording and mentions no conflict with EMI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    So then EMI put no pressure to bring Karajan to their lable to try to complete the Bayreuth Canon, as they did later with Holländer in 1983?
    They probably asked, but had no leverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    So then EMI put no pressure to bring Karajan to their lable to try to complete the Bayreuth Canon, as they did later with Holländer in 1983? EMI had not even recorded Goodall's Parsifal and DG already had Boulez from Bayreuth, Decca had Solti, and Philips had Knappertsbusch. Did EMI seriously had no hurry with Parsifal but recorded a Digital Holländer when they already had Klemperer?

    What if it was a punishment for the Lohengrin financial overcost? Not that it was Karajan and Kollo's fault.

    Also, by that time Karajan finished recording his EMI Sibelius symphonies & tone poems, refusing to do Symphonies No.3 and No.7 to complete a cycle...
    If you read Osbourn's biography, it appears that by that stage Karajan's recordings were a matter of negotiation between him and the companies

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    They probably asked, but had no leverage.
    Apparently for the Dresden Mastersingers Karajan was prevaricating so Peter Andry told him in that case they'd get Bohm to conduct it which made Karajan's mind up in a hurry!

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    As I have noted elsewhere, the HvK Dresden Meistersinger only occurred because Sir John Barbirolli, who had been originally scheduled to do it in 1968, backed out after being persuaded by Rafael Kubelik to not go to E. Germany after the Czech invasion. Unfortunately Barbirolli died in 1970 just before EMI was able to reschedule the recording hence HvK being given it. If this seems a bit odd, note that the recording producer was not someone who had worked with HvK but was Ronald Kinloch Anderson who had been Barbirolli's regular producer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    As I have noted elsewhere, the HvK Dresden Meistersinger only occurred because Sir John Barbirolli, who had been originally scheduled to do it in 1968, backed out after being persuaded by Rafael Kubelik to not go to E. Germany after the Czech invasion. Unfortunately Barbirolli died in 1970 just before EMI was able to reschedule the recording hence HvK being given it. If this seems a bit odd, note that the recording producer was not someone who had worked with HvK but was Ronald Kinloch Anderson who had been Barbirolli's regular producer.
    Given how slow Barbirolli's speeds had become by then, I wonder how long Mastersingers would have lasted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Given how slow Barbirolli's speeds had become by then, I wonder how long Mastersingers would have lasted?
    Probably about as long as Goodall!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Given how slow Barbirolli's speeds had become by then, I wonder how long Mastersingers would have lasted?
    Very funny ... I said 'Barbirolli' not 'Klemperer' ... you should try listening to some of Barbirolli's live performances from the late 60's such as the Bruckner 8th, a Munich RVW 6th and quite a few others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    Very funny ... I said 'Barbirolli' not 'Klemperer' ... you should try listening to some of Barbirolli's live performances from the late 60's such as the Bruckner 8th, a Munich RVW 6th and quite a few others.
    Glad I wasn't the only one scratching my head about this, I have quite a few Barbirolli recordings from his final few years and I can't say many of them struck me as being particularly slow. His Otello might be a bit broader than I like but that's about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    Very funny ... I said 'Barbirolli' not 'Klemperer' ... you should try listening to some of Barbirolli's live performances from the late 60's such as the Bruckner 8th, a Munich RVW 6th and quite a few others.
    But listen to his Verdi Otello and the Requiem and the Strauss Heldenleiben.

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