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    ^ I saw them at a small local club a few weeks back; tickets were only $20. Really good show, really tight and exciting band. I think they have definite promise even if I'm not fully sold on them yet. Right now I hear too much imitation and not enough innovation, but I think they're coming along, especially if they start incorporating more outside genres as they've done in some of their newer material. Their older material like the above sounds like pretty standard djent/metalcore to my ear; well-played, but nothing I haven't heard by dozens of other bands.

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    They are touring all over the states and Canada throughout October. I don't know enough about metal to identify their influences, but I could tell right away that they are great players. The drummer is phenomenal, and the bass and guitar lock with him so effortlessly that it makes for a superb group sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    I actually bought her the new Devin Townsend CD, Empath. I can't listen to it. Something about the sound makes my ears hurt. It's more of a pressure thing due to the accentuated frequency ranges they prefer. And he uses too much reverb. It's ridiculous.
    I've not heard that one but I usually love the sound he gets on his albums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    They are touring all over the states and Canada throughout October. I don't know enough about metal to identify their influences, but I could tell right away that they are great players. The drummer is phenomenal, and the bass and guitar lock with him so effortlessly that it makes for a superb group sound.
    For a quick history, metalcore is a combination of metal and hardcore punk. Around the turn of the century, metalcore bands started incorporating influences from European melodic death metal (Dark Tranquility, At the Gates, In Flames) and achieved some semblance of mainstream success. Perhaps Killswitch Engage was the most popular of those bands:

    (notice especially the mix of melodic "clean" vocals with hardcore "scream" vocals)

    It's arguable as to whether "djent" is a genre; it's actually an onomatopoeia for the sound you get when doing palm-muted riffs on an 8-string or downtuned 7-string guitars. It was entirely invented by the band Meshuggah. Their tight, extremely technical, even mathematical, riffing/drumming has been massively influential (it could be argued their the most influential metal band of the last 30 years):


    So if you take the technicality/complexity of the latter and mix it with the melodic and more "streamlined" aspects of the former, you get something close to Jinjer. They also incorporate some other, more prog rock/metal inspired influences, like the intro/verses in Pisces. I do agree they're all great players, but metal is a genre flooded with phenomenal drummers, eg, and as good as all three(!) of Jinjer's drummers are/were (I prefer their newest; he brings a greater jazz sensibility to them), I wouldn't put any of them up there with the likes of Tomas Haake, Danny Carey, Jaime Saint Merat, George Kollias, Mike Portnoy, Mike Mangini, Gene Hoglan, Mario Duplantier, etc. At least, not yet.

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    I prefer the Meshuggah. I like a drummer with some finesse. Not into the speed/power thing, or the overbearing double kick drum assault many bands prefer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    I prefer the Meshuggah. I like a drummer with some finesse. Not into the speed/power thing, or the overbearing double kick drum assault many bands prefer.
    I prefer the Meshuggah myself, but that was mostly just an illustration of what I feel are Jinjer's two biggest influences. I also prefer drummers with finesse, but I feel like all those drummers I listed qualify, with perhaps the exception of Kollias. I also think you can have both speed/power and finesse. A drummer like Jaime Saint Merat can be ridiculously fast but I find his cymbal work both tasty and tasteful:


    Funny you should mention overbearing double kick drum assaults, as perhaps the most infamous song in that regard is Meshuggah's Bleed. Supposedly it took Haake months to get the herta kick pattern down and it's been infamous among drummers since its release because of the speed and stamina required to play it.

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    Honestly, I don't understand how these drummers make it through a tour playing this brutal stuff? I can't make it through one CD as a listener. My tolerance is 3-4 tracks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    Honestly, I don't understand how these drummers make it through a tour playing this brutal stuff? I can't make it through one CD as a listener. My tolerance is 3-4 tracks.
    I can't speak for others, but at least for me I've listened to so much of this stuff over the last ~18 years that I don't even hear it as "brutal" any more. I've actually fallen to sleep listening to Meshuggah, eg. I know some black metal fans who find the atmosphere of the genre soothing like ASMR. It's a strange phenomenon, but I think prolongued exposure to anything probably dampens its visceral effects and what's left is the music.

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