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    Hahaha, glad you seem to like Ne Obliviscaris sam. Told you they're good.

    Also, I have to mention that "Traced In Air" by Cynic has quickly become one of my favorite albums of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegg View Post
    Hahaha, glad you seem to like Ne Obliviscaris sam. Told you they're good.

    Also, I have to mention that "Traced In Air" by Cynic has quickly become one of my favorite albums of all time.
    Yeah, I think "The Aurora Veils" is the best demo ever.
    Once again, thanks Vegg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdelykleon View Post
    I think most metalheads confund musical narrative with song narrative, all metal pieces I ever heard don't have any musical narrative whatsoever, relying in usual or slightly changed verse-chorus forms. All their narrative is in the text.
    O rly?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqvN2xra9oU

    Also, it doesn't matter how "interesting" the music is. It doesn't matter if they blend country, modal jazz, flamenco, blackened thrash metal and gabber techno. What matters in music and in art in general is what you get from it.

    What feelings does the piece invoke in you?
    Does it make you think?
    Does it make you dream?

    I don't care whether there's quadruple inverted counterpoint. I don't care if it's technical. I don't care if it's innovative or not. It's what I get from it, how it affects me, whether it could change my views on life.

    Because that is the main purpose of art.

    You may have studied music for years, analyzed the techniques, the structure... But you still have to learn to feel music, rather than simply listen to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sam richards View Post
    Check your PM.
    Not getting any PMs for some reason...

    Anyway, have you heard Pain of Salvation's new live CD? Daniel's vocal dynamics are insane.

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    Live CD? Have to check that out.

    I'm listening to Obscura by Gorguts, it's awesome. And they are Canadian, so it might easier for you see them live, Vegg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sam richards View Post
    I'm listening to Obscura by Gorguts, it's awesome.
    Now you're talking. Get yourself some Demilich and Atheist and the cycle will be complete.
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    I already have listened to Atheist and I like them. Never heard of Demilich, are they a technical death metal band too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sam richards View Post
    Any other Opeth fans here?
    Love Opeth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sam richards View Post
    I already have listened to Atheist and I like them. Never heard of Demilich, are they a technical death metal band too?
    They are somewhat tech death, I would mainly call them progressive/experimental death though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sam richards View Post
    Although I enjoy Burzum, his music is pretty simple and basic. Really it has no more complexity than Blink 182.

    The complex bands are
    Meshuggah
    Opeth
    Cynic
    I used to like metal before I wanted to seriously learn how to player an instrument and to learn music theory. Opeth is basic music, barre chords and power chords combined, nothing advance there. Cynic is also a joke,rather listen to real jazz. Listened to Meshuggah and saw the tabs, really boring stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrrho360 View Post
    Opeth is basic music, barre chords and power chords combined, nothing advance there. Cynic is also a joke,rather listen to real jazz. Listened to Meshuggah and saw the tabs, really boring stuff.
    Are you crazy? Opeth does use power chords in their simpler sections, but they do have complex sections with intricate harmonies.

    Cynic isn't jazz, it's jazz influenced Death Metal. Their use of intermodulation distortion is revolutionary. The frontman is a professor of music theory and composer too, I highly doubt you know more than him about music.

    About Meshuggah: Music scholars disagree, their music is regarded as one of the most rhythmically complex and scholars from Music Theory Spectrum published an analysis of their music.

    Quote Originally Posted by pyrrho360 View Post
    I used to like metal before I wanted to seriously learn how to player an instrument and to learn music theory.
    No offense, but I don't think you know much about music theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sam richards View Post
    Are you crazy? Opeth does use power chords in their simpler sections, but they do have complex sections with intricate harmonies.

    Cynic isn't jazz, it's jazz influenced Death Metal. Their use of intermodulation distortion is revolutionary. The frontman is a professor of music theory and composer too, I highly doubt you know more than him about music.

    About Meshuggah: Music scholars disagree, their music is regarded as one of the most rhythmically complex and scholars from Music Theory Spectrum published an analysis of their music.


    No offense, but I don't think you know much about music theory.
    Sorry, I'm hearing recycled music from the past 30 years. Prove to me that they're musically complex. Show us examples instead of words that are worthless.

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    Here is a link to a full article written by the Society for Music Theory.
    It comments on the Metric Superimposition they use and intricate timing supporting this with notated evidence (scores)

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/6375990/Re...c-of-Meshuggah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegg View Post
    Anyway, have you heard Pain of Salvation's new live CD? Daniel's vocal dynamics are insane.

    On the Two Deaths of Pain of Salvation? Yeah, he's really great on that one, imo, probably one of the best vocalists in the world - changing the timbre, emotional aspect, the whole music understanding... I'm really waiting for the new PoS album. As always with them I'm quite sure it'll be very different from the other albums)) personally though, I'd like him to do something like Perfect Element Pt.I + Be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrrho360 View Post
    Opeth is basic music, barre chords and power chords combined, nothing advance there. Cynic is also a joke,rather listen to real jazz. Listened to Meshuggah and saw the tabs, really boring stuff.
    I agree.

    Metal uses a different type of songwriting than rock.

    It's narrative songwriting, based on the phrase shape of the riff, like free jazz but with abstract structure replacing harmony.

    It is atonal, but uses modal patterns to express emotions, much like early Greek music.

    People like Meshuggah, Opeth and Cynic because they're a lot like rock music, only in recognizably "hey this is jazzy so it must be elite" form. (For more information, see Status in Heavy Metal Music.)

    If you want the heart of metal technicality, see Atheist, Gorguts, Immolation, Demilich, Obliveon, etc.

    But to my mind, the spirit of metal is what most matters, so just find some of the most powerful black/death ever written. Burzum, Incantation, Asphyx, Deicide, etc. will be good for you.

    Trying to make metal into rock or jazz so it can compete with popular music is a dead-end trip. You end up praising Dream Theatre, Cynic and other bands that are well-trained wankery with no significance.

    All IMHO and not designed to insult anyone or hurt any feelings.
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