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    "Bernstein in places is slower than Karajan or Klemperer"

    Yes, I listened to Bernstein's Fidelio tonight (as it had been awhile) & you're right. I had forgotten that his Fidelio can exhibit some of the bad characteristics of Bernstein's later Vienna years--one minute he is intense and full of conviction, only to then allow the drama to become dissipated by adopting very slow tempos. Oh well, I had mentioned Bernstein more as an afterthought--my top two picks were Masur & Fricsay. Thanks for pointing that out though.
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    For the Beethoven Birthday there is a 50% sale in OperaDepot.

    1. Which recordings do you reccomend from there?

    2. Do you know about historical (mono) Fidelo recordings from other labels like Orfeo, Andromeda, MYTO or Walhall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    For the Beethoven Birthday there is a 50% sale in OperaDepot.

    1. Which recordings do you reccomend from there?

    2. Do you know about historical (mono) Fidelo recordings from other labels like Orfeo, Andromeda, MYTO or Walhall?
    Frankly, I have not been that excited about opera depot and every set I have gotten from them, either purchased or free download, sits on my hard drive, rarely listened to. Sound quality often is the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    The second recording of Fidelio I bought was the Klemperer. This is the recording that critics raved about but I must confess I have always been a bit disappointed by the lack of drama in the recording. If you like Fidelio as an oratorio this might be more your line. What does redeem it is the tremendous pairing of Ludwig and Vickers which is incomparable. Frick if great again as Rocco but Berry is a disappointment as Pizarro - there is little menace here, well as he sings - just compare his performance live with karajan to see the difference.

    Interesting that Klemperer had conducted the work at Covent Garden and I have this live radio recording. the recording itself is wretched but the performance certainly has more drama than in the studio. Vickers is again the incomparable prisoner but partnered by Jurinac. I don't think she is as good as Ludwig but others think differently. What does elevate this performance is the incredible evil Pizarro of Hans Hotter - why on earth Legge did not employ him in the studio is beyond me. So on performance this is the Klemperer to have but in very limited sound.
    I hate Klemperer. His was the first Fidelio I purchased because it was so lauded by the critics. Therefore, my initial impression was Fidelio was a dreadful bore. I agree, Klemperer had little insight into the drama of the piece. I now have probably 10 Fidelios and Klemperer's ranks last of the lot. Somehow, I still made the mistake of buying Klemperer's Zauberflote, which had the same result. Klemperer, I know avoid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    Frankly, I have not been that excited about opera depot and every set I have gotten from them, either purchased or free download, sits on my hard drive, rarely listened to. Sound quality often is the issue.
    I've gotten some great things there, including the '76 and '77 Boulez Ring's from Bayreuth. The '77 sounds better than the commercial release, and the performance is massively better than the commercial release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gellio View Post
    I've gotten some great things there, including the '76 and '77 Boulez Ring's from Bayreuth. The '77 sounds better than the commercial release, and the performance is massively better than the commercial release.
    It may be that the problem is finding those great recordings among the rest. I know they usually have a sound clip on OD but that does not seem good enough to really evaluate the recording.
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    After I finish my big Wagner challenge with 13 Rings, I've decided to do a Fidelio challenge to serve as a 'bridge' between Wagner operas and Beethoven symphonies. This is the list I've made in Spotify:

    Mono:
    Furtwängler Salz 48
    Furtwängler WPO 53
    Karajan WStO 53
    Böhm WStO 55
    Fricsay BaySO 57
    Jochum RAI 57
    Karajan WStO 60
    Karajan WStO 62

    Stereo:
    Klemperer PO
    Knappertsbusch BaySO
    Maazel WPO
    Bernstein WPO
    Böhm SKD
    Karajan BPO
    Masur LGO
    Haitink SKD
    Barenboim SKB
    Solti CSO
    Abbado Luc

    One of these evenings I'll watch the Bernstein DVD that is uploaded on Youtube.

    Did I leave any historical recording out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    After I finish my big Wagner challenge with 13 Rings, I've decided to do a Fidelio challenge to serve as a 'bridge' between Wagner operas and Beethoven symphonies. This is the list I've made in Spotify:

    Mono:
    Furtwängler Salz 48
    Furtwängler WPO 53
    Karajan WStO 53
    Böhm WStO 55
    Fricsay BaySO 57
    Jochum RAI 57
    Karajan WStO 60
    Karajan WStO 62

    Stereo:
    Klemperer PO
    Knappertsbusch BaySO
    Maazel WPO
    Bernstein WPO
    Böhm SKD
    Karajan BPO
    Masur LGO
    Haitink SKD
    Barenboim SKB
    Solti CSO
    Abbado Luc

    One of these evenings I'll watch the Bernstein DVD that is uploaded on Youtube.

    Did I leave any historical recording out?
    There's a Met broadcast with Bruno Walter and Flagstad from 1941....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    After I finish my big Wagner challenge with 13 Rings, I've decided to do a Fidelio challenge to serve as a 'bridge' between Wagner operas and Beethoven symphonies. This is the list I've made in Spotify:

    Mono:
    Furtwängler Salz 48
    Furtwängler WPO 53
    Karajan WStO 53
    Böhm WStO 55
    Fricsay BaySO 57
    Jochum RAI 57
    Karajan WStO 60
    Karajan WStO 62

    Stereo:
    Klemperer PO
    Knappertsbusch BaySO
    Maazel WPO
    Bernstein WPO
    Böhm SKD
    Karajan BPO
    Masur LGO
    Haitink SKD
    Barenboim SKB
    Solti CSO
    Abbado Luc

    One of these evenings I'll watch the Bernstein DVD that is uploaded on Youtube.

    Did I leave any historical recording out?
    I'm looking forward to your thoughts on this, one of my favorite operas.

    Here are the recordings I know or know about that aren't on your list, with asterisks by the ones I find especially compelling (caveats aside):

    Walter/Met, with Flagstad (mentioned by Bill, and worth hearing especially for the conducting and some of the cast (not Flagstad for me, but I may be in the minority. Actually, there's also a second one from ten years later, also with Flagstad, recently issued by West Hill (haven't heard it))
    Toscanini
    Abendroth (some bits missing, terrible sound)
    Bodanzky (Flagstad, 39)
    Furtwaengler x2 (I think there are four surviving recordings -- I'm not a big fan of the singing in any)
    *Melik-Pashayev (in Russian, with Vishnevskaya, at her very best; everyone else involved is pretty good too.)
    Colin Davis x2 (RCA with Vogt and Heppner, LSO Live -- haven't heard either)
    Klemperer live (with Jurinac, on Testament)
    Boehm 44
    Boehm 69 (with Ludwig)
    Boehm Met (Nilsson/Vickers)
    *Fricsay
    Gibson (live, with Dernesch)
    Halasz (Naxos -- Windbergh is a terrific Florestan, and Moll is a swell Rocco, not crazy about the rest, though some like the Leonore)
    *Harnoncourt (not crazy about the two leads, but I love everything else about it)
    *Mackerras (if only it had caught Benackova and Rolfe Johnson a decade earlier -- everything else is terrific, and they could have been in their primes)
    Parray (in English)

    Leonore:
    Gardiner
    Blomstedt
    I think one or two others
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    Quote Originally Posted by gellio View Post
    Ok...why did Karajan cut the introduction music to Act II. Such a shame - some of the most heartfelt and expressive music Beethoven ever wrote. I just remembered that in listening to it. Such a shame, and a dumb cut, IMO.
    Quote Originally Posted by gellio View Post
    It is NOT cut. The problem is the mp3 I bought from Amazon is missing most of the introduction. I just bought another MP3 version of the same recording and it is there.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004RZZ4Z0...ing=UTF8&psc=1

    versus the same recording but a different pressing.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Look at the timings on Disc 2, Track 1. 7:52 vs 11:23.

    Glad I figured that out.
    Warning. I'm listening to this Fidelio on Spotify and the Introduction music in Act II is also cut. The mp3 tracklist that Spotify has for all the versions of this recording has this cut.
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    This one recently came up to the top of my list out of my 2 dozen or so recordings of Fidelio. I brought this one up for Nina Stemme (not to mention the great tenor on it too). Nina is an awesome Leonore!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    This one recently came up to the top of my list out of my 2 dozen or so recordings of Fidelio. I brought this one up for Nina Stemme (not to mention the great tenor on it too). Nina is an awesome Leonore!

    I don't feel Stemme is awesome. Adequate maybe. You but this chiefly for Kauffmann.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    This one recently came up to the top of my list out of my 2 dozen or so recordings of Fidelio.
    ??!!

    My challenge only counts 23 recordings including Mono and Stereo!

    I'm sure the Orfeo Böhm and Klemperer Testament are in your collection...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granate View Post
    ??!!

    My challenge only counts 23 recordings including Mono and Stereo!

    I'm sure the Orfeo Böhm and Klemperer Testament are in your collection...
    A quick count shows 24 commercial release Fidelios and 4 from OperaDepot, not to mention I got rid of the Davis set.

    Then I have 6 commercial releases of Leonore and 1 OperaDepot.

    The Orfeo Bohm was a more recent addition (March 2017) for Behrens and it turns out to be an awesome recording with quite vehement spoken parts. A unique and wonderful performance.

    I have Klemperer (EMI) but probably the same one you mention: Ludwig, Vickers, Frick, Berry.

    Also 9 Fidelio on DVD plus one from PremierOpera, not to mention two I got rid of because I did not like them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    I have Klemperer (EMI) but probably the same one you mention: Ludwig, Vickers, Frick, Berry.
    The Klemperer/Testament is a live performance with Sena Jurinac instead of Christa Ludwig.

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