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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerx View Post
    You are kidding us....right?
    I am guilty as stated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gellio View Post
    The Jacobs Leonore is sensational. It's my favorite recording of Leonore/Fidelio. Just sensational. I'll stick with Jacobs most of the time, and when I must have Fidelio I'll go with Karajan.

    The problem with these 60s/70s conductors is Beethoven is not Wagner. Karajan got it right, IMO, where as Klemperer and Bohm are dreadful bores. No dramatic thrust, no tension - just overly slow tempos and overly beautified music.
    The Karajan was my first recording of the opera, bought because I'd just seen Dernesch as Leonore in a Scottish Opera production, in which she was suberb. However when I switched from LP to CD, I bowed to popular opinion and bought the Klemperer. Well, to be honest, I was rather disappointed. It seemed to me far less dramatically exciting than the Karajan and actually I preferred Dernesch to Ludwig. It's still my favourite version of the opera.
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    Fidelio CD 2.jpg

    No question in my mind that this Fidelio is the best all round on disc for the sheer drama and orchestral splendour. Some people have remarked on cuts but I can't find any on my discs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsaraslondon View Post
    The Karajan was my first recording of the opera, bought because I'd just seen Dernesch as Leonore in a Scottish Opera production, in which she was suberb. However when I switched from LP to CD, I bowed to popular opinion and bought the Klemperer. Well, to be honest, I was rather disappointed. It seemed to me far less dramatically exciting than the Karajan and actually I preferred Dernesch to Ludwig. It's still my favourite version of the opera.
    Up until a few months ago the only recording of Dernesch I knew was the Tristan with Vickers and it really put me off her. However, I listened to that Fidelio because you mentioned it here and I really enjoyed it. Dernesch was a great Leonore, but I wasn't totally convinced by Karajan's conducting (although it's better than the heavy pondering of Klemperer). I just about prefer Ludwig to Dernesch, but like Janowitz possibly even better and there's something about the Bernstein where everything comes together superbly. That's why my two favourites are his and Fricsay for a totally different take on the piece with a decent cast.

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    One man's plodding is another's monumental. I love Klemperer's way with this opera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    Up until a few months ago the only recording of Dernesch I knew was the Tristan with Vickers and it really put me off her. However, I listened to that Fidelio because you mentioned it here and I really enjoyed it. Dernesch was a great Leonore, but I wasn't totally convinced by Karajan's conducting (although it's better than the heavy pondering of Klemperer). I just about prefer Ludwig to Dernesch, but like Janowitz possibly even better and there's something about the Bernstein where everything comes together superbly. That's why my two favourites are his and Fricsay for a totally different take on the piece with a decent cast.

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    I am glad to read your comments about the Bernstein as you have now piqued my interest in listening to the recording. I unwisely accepted the wisdom(?) that Janowitz was overparted for Leonore and that in toto the recording was somewhat less than the competition... So much for received wisdom!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VitellioScarpia View Post
    I am glad to read your comments about the Bernstein as you have now piqued my interest in listening to the recording. I unwisely accepted the wisdom(?) that Janowitz was overparted for Leonore and that in toto the recording was somewhat less than the competition... So much for received wisdom!
    Watch the Bernstein Fidelio with Janowitz on DVD. It is awesome! I have the CD (a studio effort done in the weeks after the live performance as I recall) and I never listen to it. Rather I listen to mp3 ripped from the DVD because there is so much more emotion expressed in the live performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SixFootScowl View Post
    Watch the Bernstein Fidelio with Janowitz on DVD. It is awesome! I have the CD (a studio effort done in the weeks after the live performance as I recall) and I never listen to it. Rather I listen to mp3 ripped from the DVD because there is so much more emotion expressed in the live performance.
    Thank you for the recommendation.

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    Granate - Even though they're 2 years, past, these are FINE recommendations, and fairly-comprehensive, about the attempts to record Fidelio! As a semi-aficionado of WF/Furtwangler, it's fine to see his ways, remembered. I've listened to Fricsay, and HIS recording is very-fine, also ... as are those of those, in differing ways ... of Bohm (with Nilsson), and maybe one of von Karajan's. SixFootScowl thinks he's "burned-out" on this, singular opera, but maybe he should listen to more of your recommendations, and/or those of others. Along the latter line (those of others) I could include the black-and-white video, from 1977/Orange Festival, with Vickers ... and Gundula Janowitz, with the younger Zubin Mehta, conducting. Ms. Janowitz is ESPECIALLY fine, and .. to me ... Jon Vickers almost never disappoints, in certain, crucial roles ... and this is ONE of them.

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    I was intrigued by the various comments made about the Bernstein recording so I went to listen to it. It wasn't long before I started jumping around trying to figure out where it was so much better than others. All I can say is if that's what does it for you, great, but it doesn't for me. I ended up going back to listen to some of the Klemperer to 'cleanse the palate'.
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    Another great Fidelio IMO:
    "Life is too short to spend it wandering in the barren Sahara of musical trash."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SixFootScowl View Post
    Another great Fidelio IMO:
    Just picked this up on eBay - I agree.

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    ^^I was looking for an online copy of that to preview but no such luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    ^^I was looking for an online copy of that to preview but no such luck
    Try You Tube (likely will be every track there in the sidebar):
    "Life is too short to spend it wandering in the barren Sahara of musical trash."
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    I agree, in part. The singing on the Klemperer is glorious, though and therefore that just about makes it essential for me. The most classical of Fidelios is the one conducted by Fricsay and the singing is decent, so that is a favourite of mine, but the one I like most of all is the Bernstein. Perfect in every way.

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    Agree on the singing in the Klemperer. I like the Bernstein, too.
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