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    One more variation/transformation for No. 2. To be inserted as c for proper context.

    Last edited by Phil loves classical; Dec-13-2020 at 15:21.
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    Added a new variation. I got rid of a couple of previous variations, since they didn't have enough contrast. Here is my final version (at least for now).

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    Here is a new piece. I tried fixing the old study with overlapping tetrachords to no avail. Just couldn't be refined. Used the same technique for this but I think is much clearer in concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil loves classical View Post
    Here is a new piece. I tried fixing the old study with overlapping tetrachords to no avail. Just couldn't be refined. Used the same technique for this but I think is much clearer in concept.

    Very interesting work, far beyond anything I could come up with.
    Last edited by Captainnumber36; Mar-10-2021 at 00:46.

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    Here is a more refined, and less rushed version. Obviously there is an electronic music influence. Also I got the idea for the bass from one of Ligeti's pieces.


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    While I have not, by far, listened to most of your endeavors, of those that I have over the years, this one I rate as your best. Forget the process behind its organization. The end result was very satisfying. The character of this work is what stands out as most important to the listener. It comes across as a playful work that refuses to be regular. Its nature of being irregular is what makes it work.

    Now, actually with the two contrasting materials (Idea #1 up until the 38 second mark vs the next 12 seconds for Idea #2) could so easily be expanded into a 3-4 minute composition. I suspect you don't care to do so, but I would encourage you to try to stretch yourself in the future. There's no reason to limit the length of your next experimental pieces. You've been there and done that.
    Last edited by Vasks; Mar-13-2021 at 03:25.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasks View Post
    While I have not, by far, listened to most of your endeavors, of those that I have over the years, this one I rate as your best. Forget the process behind its organization. The end result was very satisfying. The character of this work is what stands out as most important to the listener. It comes across as a playful work that refuses to be regular. Its nature of being irregular is what makes it work.

    Now, actually with the two contrasting materials (Idea #1 up until the 38 second mark vs the next 12 seconds for Idea #2) could so easily be expanded into a 3-4 minute composition. I suspect you don't care to do so, but I would encourage you to try to stretch yourself in the future. There's no reason to limit the length of your next experimental pieces. You've been there and done that.
    I'll echo Vasks here Phil, this is really good and it's not the first time I've said that to you. Vasks has asked you to stretch yourself with longer lengths as indeed I believe I did a while back with another piece. You really should, for in doing so it will bring up new challenges that you may find you are able to meet.

    Are theses studies playback from a notation programme? If so, why not post movie scores as I'm sure we'd all like to see the scores too.
    Last edited by mikeh375; Mar-13-2021 at 08:22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeh375 View Post
    I'll echo Vasks here Phil, this is really good and it's not the first time I've said that to you. Vasks has asked you to stretch yourself with longer lengths as indeed I believe I did a while back with another piece. You really should, for in doing so it will bring up new challenges that you may find you are able to meet.

    Are theses studies playback from a notation programme? If so, why not post movie scores as I'm sure we'd all like to see the scores too.
    Ya, I did stretch myself later on with Short Study No. 1, and found it a profoundly painful experience, one that I didn't want to repeat. It was past a point where I felt there was diminishing returns/enjoyment. But I do think I learned something from it, and that was more complex than this one.

    I'm not sure how to post scrolling scores. It was done with Musescore, and I think you have to pay to put in on their server or something. I'll look into it.
    Last edited by Phil loves classical; Mar-13-2021 at 13:54.
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    Here is an extended version. I introduced another figure or subject. Not 3 or 4 minutes, but added 50% playing time.

    Last edited by Phil loves classical; Mar-14-2021 at 01:37.
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    Well it still works for me.
    As I was listening, I couldn't help but imagine a double bass and drums playing along as an alternative. To my ears there is a distinct modern free-jazz element in there and freestyle accompaniment would not do this piece any harm at all.
    What I do like is a sense of balance I feel between control and imagination. You may or not have meant it as such, but either way, it's a difficult trait to achieve at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeh375 View Post
    Well it still works for me.
    As I was listening, I couldn't help but imagine a double bass and drums playing along as an alternative. To my ears there is a distinct modern free-jazz element in there and freestyle accompaniment would not do this piece any harm at all.
    What I do like is a sense of balance I feel between control and imagination. You may or not have meant it as such, but either way, it's a difficult trait to achieve at times.
    I'm kind of still exploring in my head what you and Vasks meant. I suspect manipulation and evolution of existing motifs, etc. like maybe changing the rhythm on the right hand, or something, rather than introducing some new figure and such.

    I'm thinking mayber there isn't enough substance to last 3 minutes. Fixed a few things, and polished it up a bit.

    Last edited by Phil loves classical; Mar-14-2021 at 23:44.
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    I think I went a bit nuts on this one. I'll have to reassess after a break.

    Last edited by Phil loves classical; Mar-18-2021 at 04:34.
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    Made a real mess last time. I think I got it back on track. I think I understand what Vasks meant now. I could even extend further without too much trouble, but I want to retain a certain mystery.

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    Ok, this has to be it, or close to it. Flows much better now. I think I have a bad tendency to jazz things up, and it takes effort to fight that sort of temptation. I'm going to keep it sort of simple.

    Last edited by Phil loves classical; Mar-19-2021 at 22:51.
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    I think I got it with the last edit of the last post, and is probably the best thing I've done especially the middle part, but man, it took me all day today to get several bars right (probably edited the last post like 10 times), and lots of brainstorming for a couple of days like the previous edits and hacks. I wonder how people actually write a lot of music. I don't think I can just extend and force my way through, I realized. It seems to take a lot of recycling of failed attempts, and then it's only by exhausting possibilities, before an idea to combine things comes to me.

    It's hard for me to come up with stuff relevant and an interesting progression to what is existing which makes it hard to extend.
    Last edited by Phil loves classical; Mar-20-2021 at 02:08.
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