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Thread: Charles Dutoit: Our Next Casualty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radames View Post
    I don't think I would have been that lenient as a judge. He really shouldn't be allowed to work with children. We had a case in my area a decade ago where a pedophile who had gone through treatment ended up raping and killing his niece.
    I'm with you. Unfortunately, the judge saw King as a victim of his own criminal activity. That's nuts!

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    Dutoit steps down from Royal Phil.

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...r-abuse-claims
    Last edited by Tulse; Jan-10-2018 at 21:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tulse View Post
    They left him no choice , best thing to do.
    First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
    "Mahatma Gandhi"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonata View Post
    No offense but I also find the thread title unsettling. Calling someone a casualty assigns victim status to them. If allegations are true then he is a perpetrator not a victim
    Ummm... "Casualty: a person or thing badly affected by an event or situation." I think that's pretty accurate. There's no moral judgment involved, no suggestion of victimhood (or the opposite).
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    ^^^
    Exactly...........
    David A. Hollingsworth (dholling)

    ~All good art is about something deeper than it admits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Ummm... "Casualty: a person or thing badly affected by an event or situation." I think that's pretty accurate. There's no moral judgment involved, no suggestion of victimhood (or the opposite).
    There is a BIG difference between being affected by an event and being the cause of the situation, so yes, using casualty does imply being a victim of circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    There is a BIG difference between being affected by an event and being the cause of the situation, so yes, using casualty does imply being a victim of circumstances.
    Well, more often than not, there are people who stand wrongly accused of something they did not do. So therefore, they are victims (of the false accusation(s) and of circumstances). Dutoit may well be that victim, as facts are still unfolding and the truth behind what really happened remains, for now at least, elusive (and Dutoit, by the way, denies those allegations). KenOC is right, and note the question mark at the end of the thread title. That question mark denotes a deliberate refusal on my part to pass moral judgment involved or suggest guilt without knowing all the facts and without the court of law to decide one way or another whether Dutoit is guilty. At the same time, I am not dismissing the claims of the alleged victims either.

    So I am going to remain in the middle of this.
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    Dutoit is a casualty regardless of his actions. In fact, he may well be a casualty of his own actions. Either way, he is a casualty.

    "Among the casualties is the engineer, who was at the controls when the train entered the curve at twice the posted speed..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    "Among the casualties is the engineer, who was at the controls when the train entered the curve at twice the posted speed..."
    That is using 'casualty' in a medical sense (injured or dead) which is a different thing entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    That is using 'casualty' in a medical sense (injured or dead) which is a different thing entirely.
    I will only say, it's not at all different. Aside from the way you choose to construe the word, I don't think there is any evidence to support your position. The definition I posted earlier is direct from an on-line dictionary.
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    ...post deleted, not worth the effort
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    When are any of these famous,accused men going to be convicted in a court of law? The answer of course is never. Which is unjust if they are guilty.

    Of course we all realize that now all it takes is accusation to get rid of a pesky boss/celebrity/political opponent/rival/some guy we just don't like. But thats Ok, he's probably guilty anyway.

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    Here's the latest:

    Met Opera Fires Stage Director, Citing ‘Inappropriate Behavior’

    The Metropolitan Opera fired the veteran British stage director John Copley this week after receiving a complaint about what the company described as “inappropriate behavior in the rehearsal room.”

    Mr. Copley, 84, has been one of the opera world’s foremost directors for decades. He was at the Met directing a revival of his 1990 production of Rossini’s “Semiramide” when a member of the chorus reported that Mr. Copley had made him uncomfortable at a rehearsal on Friday with a sexually charged remark, according to two people familiar with the complaint.

    The Met said in a statement that “following a complaint from a chorister about inappropriate behavior in the rehearsal room that was received on Monday, Jan. 29, John Copley is no longer directing the revival of ‘Semiramide’ that will open on Feb. 19.”

    William Guerri, Mr. Copley’s manager at Columbia Artists, could not immediately be reached for comment.

    The news of the firing stunned the opera world, and a number of prominent British critics and singers who have worked with him complained on social media that it seemed like an overreaction.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/a...pgtype=article

    Another victim of the PC culture juggernaut. Where will it take us? I hope at some point the people who donate large sums of money to these organizations refuse to go along with this and stop giving money. That will put an end to it. I am not a subscriber to the Boston Symphony, but if I were I would cancel my subscription and send a note in saying that I would be happy to renew if Maestro Dutiot was given some kind of due process.

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