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    Default Rings you DON'T listen to

    In the last 3-4 years - under the guidance of the senior members here - I've assembled quite the catalog of Rings.
    We have lots of lists of favorites, so I thought it would be interesting to post the Rings you own but don't listen to. If you're a streamer/Tuber maybe list the likely subjects that you avoid.

    I have most of the Bayreuth 1950s and 1960s cycles, and a bunch of others. Here's what I don't listen to, in the order in which I haven't listened to them:

    Solti / Decca - at the top of many lists, but I just don't listen to it
    Keilberth 1953 - Lots to like here but the sound is wonky in a "fake stereo" way
    Bohm 1966/67 set - Not sure why I don't get back to this one
    Janowski "first digital" set - it's okay, but who has time for "okay" with that 1957 set sitting there


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    The Met LePage ring. I don't enjoy the singers at all

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    I have about 8 Rings but don't listen to most of them because I have so little time and I am hooked on Behren's as Brunnhilde.

    With Behrens I opt for the live Sawallisch set over the studio Levine set, though the live Levine DVD set is wonderful.

    One Ring that I think is not worth the time to listen to (just because there are so many better Rings) is the one conducted by Gunter Neuhold (1994/95).

    A little-known Ring that I think all Ring fanatics must hear is Hans Swarowsky's Ring. It is unique among rings. Read about it here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    A little-known Ring that I think all Ring fanatics must hear is Hans Swarowsky's Ring. It is unique among rings. Read about it here.
    That is not exactly a Ringing endorsement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    That is not exactly a Ringing endorsement
    True, and it would never be anyone's main Ring, but as the article closes, it is "a flawed yet vital Ring."

    Here is a different review. Some quotes which point out the unique feature of this ring:

    The recording is valuable because of the orchestral sound, even if it is sometimes pushed too far into the background, because the soloists were brought to the front by microphone. On the other hand, this results in an extremely high level of text comprehension, which must be regarded as an important feature. Anyone who wants to learn the ring textually, hardly finds such a presence of the sung word in another recording.
    Wagnerians should definitely give this box a try: it's an historic document of good value, with a superb orchestra and, in most cases, good singers. Voices are extremely present and there is no other ring where one could so easily follow, understand and assimilate Wagner's text.
    Here is another positive review (in German)
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    Wagnerians should definitely give this box a try: it's an historic document of good value, with a superb orchestra and, in most cases, good singers. Voices are extremely present and there is no other ring where one could so easily follow, understand and assimilate Wagner's text.
    But there is ... the Goodall Ring
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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    But there is ... the Goodall Ring
    I have that text in a book because I can't follow English in most sung-in-English operas. That is why the only way for me to really get fully engaged in an opera is to have a DVD with subtitles and watch it multiple times until I know the story quite well and can pretty much follow along in my head. At least with Goodall, I can make out occasional words that sometimes give me my place.

    I don't read or understand German, yet I did find the prominent vocals on Swarowsky quite pleasing. It is, however, a Ring that most people don't listen to, so fittingly discussed here.
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    I have about 8 Rings but don't listen to most of them because I have so little time and I am hooked on Behren's as Brunnhilde.

    With Behrens I opt for the live Sawallisch set over the studio Levine set, though the live Levine DVD set is wonderful.
    I was certain your love affair with Behrens as Brunnhilde would wear off by now!

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    From the ones I own the Barenboim, and Goodall, the first one just don't have it for me, the second, Wagner in English, give me a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonetan View Post
    I was certain your love affair with Behrens as Brunnhilde would wear off by now!
    Nope, not yet. It was the videos that did it to me, so maybe my next video Ring will change things. Oh, by the way, I have the de Billy Ring sitting in my unwatched pile. I have no idea who Brunnhilde is in that one or if she is found on any Ring CD set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    Oh, by the way, I have the de Billy Ring sitting in my unwatched pile. I have no idea who Brunnhilde is in that one or if she is found on any Ring CD set.
    Fritz - if you read the list of performers on the back of the DVD box that should tell you who sings Brünnhilde! However, to save you that onerous task I shall tell you that it is Deborah Polaski. I'm pretty sure she is not on any Ring Cycle on cd. Have a very merry xmas and a guid new year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    Fritz - if you read the list of performers on the back of the DVD box that should tell you who sings Brünnhilde! However, to save you that onerous task I shall tell you that it is Deborah Polaski. I'm pretty sure she is not on any Ring Cycle on cd. Have a very merry xmas and a guid new year.
    Yep, all my DVDs are copied to image files on my hard drive and the cases stored away. I really should include a copy of the backs for reference with the image file. Of course I could always look it up on Amazon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugg View Post
    From the ones I own the Barenboim, and Goodall, the first one just don't have it for me, the second, Wagner in English, give me a break.
    Some of us are just crazy. Oh, but the Flying Dutchman in English is pretty good.
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    I heard the complete ENO Ring twice, the first time with Mackerras (Goodall was ill), the second time with Goodall - both were wonderful experiences but I marginally preferred Mackerras. A few months ago I bought the Goodall set but, a few favourite bits apart, I have yet to listen to it.

    Krauss (Bayreuth 1951?) I have but can't get into it, probably because of the antique sound. Thielemann is another languishing largely unheard on my hard drive. Eventually I will probably (perhaps) get round to listening to Bohm (Bayreuth 1967).

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    I have a bunch and listen to all of them from time to time.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

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