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    I have to admit to a certain ambivalence when it came to scarecrow. He was obviously a very intelligent chap, and at times remarkably forgiving, but how the hell he managed to make a political point out of so many seemingly innocuous things is way beyond me. Maybe, Lark, he was trying to open our minds to the blissful utopia that is enshrined in pure Marxist-Leninism, or whichever branch of that creed he adhered to? Sorry, but my mind's well and truly closed to all that, and for good reason!
    I still do not understand where that awful spat I had with the bloke who named himself after a Schumann song cycle ever originated, apart from straight out of left field.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by CnC Bartok View Post
    I have to admit to a certain ambivalence when it came to scarecrow. He was obviously a very intelligent chap, and at times remarkably forgiving, but how the hell he managed to make a political point out of so many seemingly innocuous things is way beyond me. Maybe, Lark, he was trying to open our minds to the blissful utopia that is enshrined in pure Marxist-Leninism, or whichever branch of that creed he adhered to? Sorry, but my mind's well and truly closed to all that, and for good reason!
    I still do not understand where that awful spat I had with the bloke who named himself after a Schumann song cycle ever originated, apart from straight out of left field.....
    CnC, please. I never espoused Leninist/Marxist views ever in a million years on the Amazon forum, or any idealistic utopia that doesn’t exist, but somehow I’m flattered and I wish you all the best! There’s not enough Bartok on the forum.
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    Actually I was having a half-hearted attempt at explaining TO YOU what I thought SCARECROW might have been trying to achieve.....never took you as a misguided pinko, I promise!

    I thought the commas made that clear in the absence of a vocative form of "Lark", apart from in Romantic Poetry!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    And we fondly remember that Russian lady who had proof that Mozart wrote his requiem for his own death. She was going to make a lot of money from that (somehow).
    Here she is, did she start a website about it?

    Posted on Dec 21, 2011 11:55:43 AM PST
    Natalia A. Kalinina says:
    I found quite a number of people here who I would like to continue discussions with: decent, intelligent, open-minded, good-natured, and friendly.
    They tried to participate in the discussion about Mozart but it was so hard to be getting through all the debris 'palJacky' was piling around, and especially through that vicious and malicious pack attack.
    I'll find my way to invite them on my own web site when I open it.
    Until then I send them my respect and appreciation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    I believe the Amazon forums disappeared because:

    1. They made no business sense, as Amazon discovered.
    2. Amazon ceased to promote the forums and even made them impossible to find.
    3. Amazon also gradually "defeatured" the forums, eg, removed the search function.
    4. When memberships shrank enough to limit complaints, they shut the forums down.
    Not long before Amazon deleted its forums imdb.com cancelled its community forums, including an informative and friendly if not heavily trafficked classical music forum. I do not know if anyone took my advice and migrated here.
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    Some of you must remember a man named John Ruggieri from the amazon forums. Is he on here under another name? Besides being knowledgeable he stood out as being nice on a site that could get contentious.
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    I used to lurk on the Amazon UK forum (I can't ever recall posting, though), but I think the classical section ended up being somewhat moribund before the facility was removed altogether. I distinctly remember some jarring exchanges between two posters who I think were called Basilides and Piso.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elgars ghost View Post
    I used to lurk on the Amazon UK forum (I can't ever recall posting, though), but I think the classical section ended up being somewhat moribund before the facility was removed altogether. I distinctly remember some jarring exchanges between two posters who I think were called Basilides and Piso.
    I still have questions about Piso....
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    Quote Originally Posted by science View Post
    I still have questions about Piso....
    That would likely be Piso Mojado, a cantankerous gent from Chicago, elderly and suffering from failing eyesight. I haven’t seen him here. Few knew what his moniker meant.

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    <a flash from the past>

    In reply to an earlier post on Dec 31, 2011, 2:19:12 PM PST

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    Millions writes, "Or would you prefer a burning at the stake, like they did to witches during the Spanish Inquisition?"


    Actually, few witches were burned in the inquisition. The gravest crimes against the church (and the state of course) included conversion to Judaism, Freemasonry, various perceived heresies, etc. Being rich and being a Jew also helped, since the Inquisition was financed entirely by wealth confiscated from its victims without contributions from the church.


    "In general...the Inquisition maintained a sceptical attitude towards cases of witchcraft, considering it as a mere superstition without any basis."
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    To KenOC somewhere in North Korea -- Spring-loaded? The order-of-arms drill will go: "Human Rifles, atten-SHUN! Ground arms! Shoulder arms! Present arms! As you were. REST! Fall out." Everyone in the canteen for Korean beer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by elgars ghost View Post
    I used to lurk on the Amazon UK forum (I can't ever recall posting, though), but I think the classical section ended up being somewhat moribund before the facility was removed altogether. I distinctly remember some jarring exchanges between two posters who I think were called Basilides and Piso.
    I had some very unpleasant exchanges with basiledes, I seem to remember. He knew his stuff, but he also knew how to express opinions in a manner both designed and guaranteed to offend. I can't remember Edgar/Piso being a particularly standout victim of his venom, though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Open Book View Post
    Some of you must remember a man named John Ruggieri from the amazon forums. Is he on here under another name? Besides being knowledgeable he stood out as being nice on a site that could get contentious.
    I remember John Ruggieri. I liked him. His relative was a famous jazz musician. Do you call who it was?

    Also, if I'm not mistaken, I am partly responsible for scarecrow's presence on the Amazon forum. I read some of his Amazon reviews on modern CDs, enjoyed them, saw him as a potential fellow advocate of modern music, and invited him over. As I remember it, he started posting shortly after that.

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    I read that scarecrow was a composer from Chicago. I forget the name. I think he was definitely a Marxist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CnC Bartok View Post
    I had some very unpleasant exchanges with basiledes, I seem to remember. He knew his stuff, but he also knew how to express opinions in a manner both designed and guaranteed to offend. I can't remember Edgar/Piso being a particularly standout victim of his venom, though...
    Towards the end they were at loggerheads - that was until Basilides stop posting. Piso, who struck me as quite unperturbable in these exchanges, used to refer to Basilides as an aggressive Welsh Corgi or words to that effect and I do remember one time when Basilides lost it with Piso and called him an idiot. I recall one post from someone else likening their spat to two schoolboys fighting over a bowl of rice pudding. Basilides was knowledgeable as you correctly said, but he had a short fuse and seemed to have little patience either for classical greenhorns or anyone who had the temerity to disagree with him.
    '...a violator of his word, a libertine over head and ears in debt and disgrace, a despiser of domestic ties, the companion of gamblers and demireps, a man who has just closed half a century without a single claim on the gratitude of his country or the respect of posterity...' - Leigh Hunt on the Prince Regent (later George IV).

    ὃν οἱ θεοὶ φιλοῦσιν ἀποθνῄσκει νέος [Those whom the gods love die young] - Menander

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    I remember John Ruggieri. I liked him. His relative was a famous jazz musician. Do you call who it was?

    Also, if I'm not mistaken, I am partly responsible for scarecrow's presence on the Amazon forum. I read some of his Amazon reviews on modern CDs, enjoyed them, saw him as a potential fellow advocate of modern music, and invited him over. As I remember it, he started posting shortly after that.
    I learned how scarecrow thought. I didn't post much to him because I didn't have the background to argue with his opinions (but many of his posts were worth saving and I wish I had saved more of them now).



    In reply to an earlier post on May 18, 2016 7:18:03 AM PDT
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    It's quite easy now in retrospect that modernity,12 tone serial to minimalism was really a renewed romanticism;
    certainly Carter's entire oeuvre was Romantic in substance, Glass, Reich, Riley, was a renewed Westernized Asian romanticism,all playful most of times; it's the easy way out, safe, secured by a following fan-base, the quest to be loved.... and really refuses to think... a common language was the agenda since culture was becoming common,global, plural, accessible, no one has time to begin again, so you utilize what you got, and markets accelerate the process, profits gotta be made right now, no stalling the process,no time to waste,gotta buy a home in Nova Scotia... no borders....We can say all this odyssey began in the Seventies....Boulez,Stockhausen, Berio as well;now that Europa was finally turning a profit, (recall the 1950-1960s was not the USA, not till 1970 was capital restored in Europa) with a;
    for Boulez he sought a career in conducting, good for him, and his music became more predictable...,then New Agey for Stockhausen, and a safe lyrical surface music for Berio;the surface is where the buzzz is, then as time wore on a pedagogical, with,Boulez: Notations, for Orch. the various post-repons pieces where he had to make good on the millions $$$$spent on electronics at IRCAM.


    Babbitt,Wuorinen as well, and Shapey all true 12 Toners with a Romantic angst to grind.
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