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    Question Wagner on DVD....Das Rheingold

    What's your pick on DVD for the revolutionary first night of the Ring cycle?
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    I have seen two Rheingolds (Sawallisch on You Tube and Levine on DVD).
    I have two more Rheingolds I have yet to watch (de Billy and Haenchen).

    So, Here is the one I watched, which is an excellent performance:
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    I agree with Fritz! Beautiful traditional staging :-)

    I was expecting that The Ring would be one category, but this is cool looking at each opera individually. I've never considered the DVD's this way!

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    Not traditional, but still perhaps the most engaging version dramatically. May not be the best introduction for a newbie, though.

    Alan

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    Das Machine!
    I will go with new MET Ring because of excellent blu ray picture & sound, and some moments of visual inspiration amongst otherwise forced stage movement to accomadate the ever present and unyielding machine.......





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    The Valencia Ring has some great visual moments (like the opening Rheinmaidens) but its flaws are many......


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    I have seen two Rheingolds (Sawallisch on You Tube and Levine on DVD).
    I have two more Rheingolds I have yet to watch (de Billy and Haenchen).

    So, Here is the one I watched, which is an excellent performance:
    Quote Originally Posted by amfortas View Post
    Not traditional, but still perhaps the most engaging version dramatically. May not be the best introduction for a newbie, though.

    Those two, can't choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    Das Machine!
    I will go with new MET Ring because of excellent blu ray picture & sound, and some moments of visual inspiration amongst otherwise forced stage movement to accomadate the ever present and unyielding machine.......
    Agreed, some nice visual moments, but not enough to compensate for the lackluster staging. We all bring our own priorities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amfortas View Post
    Agreed, some nice visual moments, but not enough to compensate for the lackluster staging. We all bring our own priorities.
    This visual is nice also, the descent to underworld of the nibelungen with anvils hammering.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    Das Machine!
    I will go with new MET Ring because of excellent blu ray picture & sound, and some moments of visual inspiration amongst otherwise forced stage movement to accomadate the ever present and unyielding machine.......
    I saw Rheingold and Walkure in HD, but saw Siegfried and Gotterdammerung in the opera house. I thought that it worked pretty well on the movie screen, but in the house, rather than enhancing the drama, it was a major distraction. I came to the conclusion that it was an enormous waste of a great deal of money.

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    Sets by Georges Wakhevitch (based in the original Salzburg production by G.S. Siemssen).

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    Not a DVD (yet?), but the China Rheingold is very watchable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d-3nqzKTKU

    They combine a traditional aesthetic with a modern projection screen which offers some very cool scenes. Makes you think of the cool fantasy productions we could have if Western directors pulled their heads out of their ugly, fascist, deconstructionist asses.
    Doch dieses Wörtlein: und, -wär' es zerstört,
    wie anders als mit Isoldes eignem Leben wär' Tristan der Tod gegeben?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchie View Post
    Not a DVD (yet?), but the China Rheingold is very watchable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d-3nqzKTKU

    They combine a traditional aesthetic with a modern projection screen which offers some very cool scenes. Makes you think of the cool fantasy productions we could have if Western directors pulled their heads out of their ugly, fascist, deconstructionist asses.
    A magical opening, with the giant ring rising through the luminous waves, but disappointing after that. The projections are nice, but the stage lighting is inert. Directing and acting are pedestrian. A sunken ship in the primeval Rhine? A fat Loge who just stands around, despite his lithe, flickering music? Fricka reminded me of Glinda the Good Witch of the South. And why on earth do we have to look at the conductor instead of the scene changes?

    Well, a sunken ship at least suggests the mermaids who drown sailors (though humans are not part of Wagner's conception at this point), and it's leagues better than a hydroelectric dam, or something as utterly beneath description as this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kySdaA9V4Bo

    Give the Chinese credit for trying.

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    Beggars can't be choosers. There are no crocodiles eating characters in this production. Let's be satisfied with that. I think the essence of Wagner's soul has moved from Bayreuth to Beijing.
    Doch dieses Wörtlein: und, -wär' es zerstört,
    wie anders als mit Isoldes eignem Leben wär' Tristan der Tod gegeben?

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    Since my first post with the Levine Rheingold, I have since watched the Boulez and like it a lot. Also watched and liked this one a lot:


    Here is a clip. Great Loge!
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