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    Just listened to this for first time in ages - paired with the superb K515 on my Brilliant classics set.

    lovely work - fine 1st 2nd and 3rd mvts and v unusual last movt - not sure what to make of it. must listen again.

    Not anywhere near the great quintets but very fine.

    what is your view?

    any recommended recordings?

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    It's a great piece, you can't go wrong with the Amadeus Quartet/ Cecil Aronowitz (viola)

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    Quote Originally Posted by stomanek View Post
    Just listened to this for first time in ages - paired with the superb K515 on my Brilliant classics set.

    lovely work - fine 1st 2nd and 3rd mvts and v unusual last movt - not sure what to make of it. must listen again.

    Not anywhere near the great quintets but very fine.

    what is your view?

    any recommended recordings?
    My favorite recording is the one with Arthur Grumiaux's String Trio with friends on Decca - I have it in a box with Mozart's String Quartets played by the Italian Quartet - which is also a good recording btw. :

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    I checked on amazon and it looks like the recording I have is out of print - but there are several different packageings still in print - I can post links if needed.
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    Mozart's K. 593 String Quintet in D major.

    -Scored for two violin, two violas and a Cello - (unlike Boccherini's Quintet which have a cello added to a sting quartet to make a quintet).

    -Origin: Composed in the last year of Wolfgang's life - December 1790.

    - Dedicated to a Johann Tost and probably played in it's first performance with Haydn in the line-up!

    -And further: the clever scholars say the music has some haydnesque-flavors like the slow introduction to the first movement.

    - Two slightly different versions of the finale exists.

    What I have written is based on this book which is always handy :
    https://www.amazon.com/Compleat-Moza...+mozart+zaslaw
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    "Not anywhere near the great quintets but very fine.

    what is your view?"

    What "great quintets" are you referring to? Do you mean Mozart's better known K. 515 & K. 516 Quintets? If so, I disagree. I think K. 593 is every bit their equal. It's a 'desert island' chamber work in my collection, along with K. 515. But if you're not talking about Mozart's other string quintets, which ones then? The only other string quintets that can I can think of that could arguably be named in the same class as Mozart's are Brahms Op. 111 quintet, and Schubert's.

    "any recommended recordings?"

    Yes, in a fire, I'd grab the following four recordings, each for different reasons:

    Arthur Grumiaux & co.: a classic:



    The Orlando Quartet, with violist Nobuko Imai--this may be my favorite modern instrument version:



    The Chilingirian Quartet--their final recording before calling it quits as a quartet. They include both endings to the K. 593 Quintet. The Chilingirians have long been one of my favorite groups for Mozart's quartets, and their interpretation offers a contrasting view to both the Orlandos and Grumiaux, which is well worth hearing:



    Finally, last but not least, my favorite recording on period instruments, from the group Hausmusik:

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    The adagio of 593 is very good, as good as Mozart gets I'd say.

    As far as recordings go, I'm enjoying the new one with Capucon and Hagen and Ibragimova and Caussé and someone else, it's well recorded, just at the level of sound, of sensuality, it's a great pleasure to hear, each instrument's contribution is well placed in the stereo image; and I remember also liking Tatrai in the later quintets.

    I'm not keen on much of Mozart's final music, and this is a 1790 piece. I'm not sure I want to hear the naive third movement of 593 ever again.
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    What "great quintets" are you referring to? Do you mean Mozart's better known K. 515 & K. 516 Quintets? If so, I disagree. I think K. 593 is every bit their equal.

    yes I was thinking of k515/516

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandryka View Post
    The adagio of 593 is very good, as good as Mozart gets I'd say.

    As far as recordings go, I'm enjoying the new one with Capucon and Hagen and Ibragimova and Caussé and someone else, it's well recorded, just at the level of sound, of sensuality, it's a great pleasure to hear, each instrument's contribution is well placed in the stereo image; and I remember also liking Tatrai in the later quintets.

    I'm not keen on much of Mozart's final music, and this is a 1790 piece. I'm not sure I want to hear the naive third movement of 593 ever again.
    Yes it struck me that the adagio is the strongest movement.

    naive 3rd movement? not sure what you mean. It has a delightful middle section.
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    I have the Orlando Qt version on Brilliant Classics - assume it is the same as above.

    think it could be better though - some more refined string playing needed, maybe the grumiaux then.

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    I have that Brilliant classics boxset, I love it! I'm listening to it now, actually, the Haydn String Quartets, #1, K387.

    I think the standings of K515 and K516 are secure, but K593 and K614 are due an upgrade. Kinda like the later string quartets. They're due a reappraisal...
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    seems I have barchet qt on an old LP playing K593 - have not heard yet but expect it will be special.

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    The Barchet quartet rec I have on vox turned out to be sore on the ears - edgy - quite horrible. It's a reprocessed mono rec for stereo - couldnt listen to it. But I found my great recording - the budapest qt on philips LP - 50s rec. Had all the qualities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stomanek View Post
    Just listened to this for first time in ages - paired with the superb K515 on my Brilliant classics set.

    lovely work - fine 1st 2nd and 3rd mvts and v unusual last movt - not sure what to make of it. must listen again.

    Not anywhere near the great quintets but very fine.

    what is your view?

    any recommended recordings?
    I agree with those who have already recommended Grumiaux et al., and another great choice is the Griller String Quartet with William Primrose.

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    "But I found my great recording - the budapest qt on philips LP - 50s rec. Had all the qualities."

    You find the Orlando Quartet lacks refinement, in comparison to the Budapest Quartet? Having heard the Budapest play late Beethoven SQs in the 1950s, often "painfully out of tune & rhythmically out of sync", as critic James Leonard wrote, I would imagine it's the other way around. But I haven't heard their Mozart String Quintets from the 50s.

    I'd like to hear Alina Ibragimova & co. play KV 593 & the rest of the quintets too--are those recordings only available on DVD?

    Here's a You Tube post of Ibragimova & co. performing Mozart's String Quintet in C major KV 515 at the Delft Music Festival, which is a favorite of mine:


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    Quote Originally Posted by stomanek View Post
    The Barchet quartet rec I have on vox turned out to be sore on the ears - edgy - quite horrible. It's a reprocessed mono rec for stereo - couldnt listen to it. But I found my great recording - the budapest qt on philips LP - 50s rec. Had all the qualities.
    This is with Walter Trampler is it?

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