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    Celi's SACD recording of no. 4 is spacious, elegant, powerful, and has superb SQ. Better than the one on his EMI recording.

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    Back to van Zweden. It will be interesting to see how he fares in New York. Hopefully he can return the orchestra to its glory days of yesteryear with conductors such as Mitropoulos and Bernstein.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinus View Post
    Back to van Zweden. It will be interesting to see how he fares in New York. Hopefully he can return the orchestra to its glory days of yesteryear with conductors such as Mitropoulos and Bernstein.
    Well, Decca didn't help with the recording of Beethoven 5/7, way to much manipulated music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinus View Post
    Back to van Zweden. It will be interesting to see how he fares in New York. Hopefully he can return the orchestra to its glory days of yesteryear with conductors such as Mitropoulos and Bernstein.
    Mitropolous? In retrospect he seems like a legendary Conductor. At the time his Critics couldn’t wait for his ouster and were hoping his replacement would “return the Orchestra of the glory days of (fill in the blank)....”

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    Handling the New York job requires more than Muscianship. The Conductor has to be able to create a buzz, an aura of excitement, and then be able to win the Local Media, and then finally succeed with the National and International Media. And then there is a Shelf Life, in that initial conquests need to be built upon.
    Gilbert had a good initial buzz but was lacking in the dynamic department. Masur, Mehta, and Boulez all had strong resumes and strong accomplishments off the podium that helped secure their initial tenures but in the fast NY scene fell prey to “what have you done lately” phenomenon and faded over time. Bernstein was a genre unto himself.
    I don’t think that things bode well for Van Zweeden, but I hope to be proven wrong

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    That is exactly why a number of conductors, including Barenboim, refused the post. Lenny had all the requirements to make it work, but obviously no one after him.

    And it basically destroyed Mahler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triplets View Post
    Mitropolous? In retrospect he seems like a legendary Conductor. At the time his Critics couldn’t wait for his ouster and were hoping his replacement would “return the Orchestra of the glory days of (fill in the blank)....”
    His replacement certainly did -- Bernstein! And it might be that Mitropolous, being openly LGBTQ before the necessary changes in public awareness, was unduly criticized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinus View Post
    That is exactly why a number of conductors, including Barenboim, refused the post. Lenny had all the requirements to make it work, but obviously no one after him.

    And it basically destroyed Mahler.
    It didn't do Barbirolli much good either!

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinus View Post
    That is exactly why a number of conductors, including Barenboim, refused the post. Lenny had all the requirements to make it work, but obviously no one after him.

    And it basically destroyed Mahler.
    I am not sure that destroyed Mahler. I think he had a much rougher time in virulently anti Semitic Vienna. A rheumatic Heart valve and his wife’s infidelity were the more proximate issues, imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinus View Post
    His replacement certainly did -- Bernstein! And it might be that Mitropolous, being openly LGBTQ before the necessary changes in public awareness, was unduly criticized.
    Bernstein constantly undermined him, including disparaging his sexuality, which became very ironic when Bernstein’s secrets were let out of the bag

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