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    Having completed another audition of his SACD recordings of Bruckner 1-9, I would rate all except no. 4 as excellent. That one is taken too fast for my taste, compared with Thielemann, Wand, and Celibidache.

    Superb sonics as well.

    Highly recommended!
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    Sounds very interesting. I've yet to hear this set but I've just started to listen to Nezet-Seguin's Bruckner cycle. I listened to the 2nd Symphony this morning And was very impressed. The last full cycle of Bruckner that I auditioned was Lim's cycle. That had some very good moments but was let down by some ragged ensemble at times. You couldn't blame the committment of the orchestra though. What do you think of the Nezet-Seguin cycle, Merlinus? Have you heard it, Granate?

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    Yes Merl. It was like a year ago when we were discussing SACD cycles merlinus and I. I think it was by August 2017 when I finished listening to the whole van Zweden cycle and I was very impressed for the cleanness of the sound and a different range of quality in the performances. I saw the weakest points in the 2, 3, 7, 8 & 9. The SQ is incredible, although the performances are sometimes too standard for my taste. Excellent buy for SACD. Let's see how the Japan remaster of the Karajan cycle works out (Limited SACDs of Symphonies 4-9+TD available)

    I will audition the Nézet-Séguin cycle together with Thielemann and Russell-Davies.
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    @Granate: I look forward to your review of the Thielemann cycle. I have 4, 7, and 8. The first two are magnificent, but #8 suffers from poor recording, despite it being on SACD. I listened to his #4 again last night, and for me it is still at the very top, both in terms of performance and SQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinus View Post
    I look forward to your review of the Thielemann cycle...
    And I look forward to January 2019! It's very likely that No.2 is recorded this Autumn with the Staatskapelle Dresden, but they still need to make the transfers to Audio and CD. Then the publisher will design the box... etc.

    I don't know if ATMA was in a hurry to publish the YNS cycle already. Thielemann is a tough competitor and a name that sells nowadays. They would need a margin to sell their Bruckner cycle before a big label merchandises their own with interviews and articles all over the CM sites. Has anyone tried it? It's on Spotify and qobuz for stream but I'm busy reviewing Beethoven cycles.

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    Have you posted any of your LvB cycles reviews?
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    BTW, The HR Audio site reviewer disliked YNS, in terms of interpretation and orchestra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinus View Post
    BTW, The HR Audio site reviewer disliked YNS, in terms of interpretation and orchestra.
    Individual performances have garnered mixed reviews, online. The 7th has had quite a few negative reviews whilst the earlier symphonies were warmly and enthusiastically welcomed. I can't comment on them all personally as I've only listened to one (very good) account of the 2nd. I'll let you know what I think soon, Merlinus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinus View Post
    Have you posted any of your LvB cycles reviews?
    I already finished Table 1! (8 Mono Cycles and 6 HIP cycles) I'm slowly coding the posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by merlinus View Post
    BTW, The HR Audio site reviewer disliked YNS, in terms of interpretation and orchestra.
    I saw a bold, cruel three-star review in Amazon UK. I have faith in YNS. He is only 43 and already has the backing of two big CM labels. I didn't like early Christian Thielemann either and now he is the brightest star in the Austro-German repertoire once he is 60 and conducts in Dresden and Bayreuth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    Individual performances have garnered mixed reviews, online. The 7th has had quite a few negative reviews whilst the earlier symphonies were warmly and enthusiastically welcomed. I can't comment on them all personally as I've only listened to one (very good) account of the 2nd. I'll let you know what I think soon, Merlinus.
    I know that this thread is about van Zweden’s cycle, but had to quickly chime in on the YNS cycle. I recently purchased the YNS cycle and listened to the 1st a couple of times. I was very disappointed. In fact, the only reason I listened to it again was to make sure I wasn’t making a hasty judgement. First off, YNS uses the Vienna revision which in my least favorite Bruckner revision. Regarding the interpretation, there is no drive or power (a better recording would help very little). Everything feels static. The 2nd movement wallows and takes forever to get through. I could go on and on with details, but this is not the thread to elaborate.

    To make sure I wasn’t imagining things, I listened to the Wand (Vienna version-RCA), Abbado (Vienna version-DG), Jochum (Linz Version-DG), and because of this thread, streamed the Jaap via Tidal (Linz version). What a difference!! YNS doesn’t come close.

    So far YNS’s 2nd is an improvement, but not by much. This could be a tough cycle to get through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rw181383 View Post
    I know that this thread is about van Zweden’s cycle, but had to quickly chime in on the YNS cycle.
    One Amazon Review: "If Karajan is the gold standard, YNS’s Bruckner is crypto-currency from Nigeria." Ouch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manxfeeder View Post
    One Amazon Review: "If Karajan is the gold standard, YNS’s Bruckner is crypto-currency from Nigeria." Ouch!
    That's why I said it was cruel. No conductor can dare to compare to Herr Karajan and neither should critics. In Bruckner the orchestral sound is key.

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    I'll reserve my judgement till I've listened to more. I rarely listen to what reviewers think.

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    He only did 7-9 with the VPO, but Giulini recordings are my current favorites

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    Quote Originally Posted by merlinus View Post
    Having completed another audition of his SACD recordings of Bruckner 1-9, I would rate all except no. 4 as excellent. That one is taken too fast for my taste, compared with Thielemann, Wand, and Celibidache.
    I would hate to hear anything that is slower than Celi!

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