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    Quote Originally Posted by Czech composer View Post
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    Christmas Day by Josef Suk
    That's nice, thanks for sharing.

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    I've tried to appreciate Asreal a few times, with a couple of different recordings, but inevitably I wind up respecting and not really liking it. Suk just doesn't have a personal sound world that can envelop a listener for long periods of time and sustain interest in grand statements as can Bruckner, Mahler, Shostakovich, etc. His shorter works are more accessible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triplets View Post
    I've tried to appreciate Asreal a few times, with a couple of different recordings, but inevitably I wind up respecting and not really liking it. Suk just doesn't have a personal sound world that can envelop a listener for long periods of time and sustain interest in grand statements as can Bruckner, Mahler, Shostakovich, etc. His shorter works are more accessible
    I disagree. I think it depends on a personal taste. Agree that I realy never get into Asrael symphony too, but Summer Tale and Ripening have for me bigger emotional impact than some of Mahler symphonies (including the most famous 5th 6th or 9th).
    Do I say, that these Mahler symphonies are worse than Suk´s symphonic poems? No! But the emotions I feel are real for me. And especially Summer tale one of deepest emotional experience I have ever had in my life. On the other hand when I am listening to Mahler 9th, I don´t feel as strong emotion as with Suk and I am realy trying. Because I love Mahler and for exapmle his 3rd symphony is for me also one of deepest experiences.
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    Replying - a year to the day later! - to czech composer.

    Pohádka léta. Complete agreement! One of the most beautiful pieces in the repertoire
    Zrání And Epilog. Hard work, but worth the effort
    Asrael. Try Talich. His 1960? recording is harrowing but a real wonder.

    Enjoy your carp tonight!
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    I love Suk's Serenade for Strings very comparable to Dvorak's -- both beautiful pieces. Suk is an amazing composer and Asrael to me is a neglected masterpiece. Would love to hear a live performance of it.

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    I like the Scherzo Fantastico by Suk

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    SWR Music are releasing a recording of Asrael conducted by Karel Ancerl - yes KAREL ANCERL!!!! - from 1967. Link to presto classical below.

    https://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/cl...rejci-serenata

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacck View Post
    I like the Scherzo Fantastico by Suk
    Bold splashes of color! Wonderful.

    I like what Suk said about himself (perhaps already mentioned by others):

    "I do not bow to anyone, except to my own conscience and to our noble Lady Music… and yet at the same time I know that thereby I serve my country, and praise the great people from the period of our wakening who taught us to love our country."

    His Asrael Symphony has big ideas, ambitious both personally and universally, and at times he seems more enigmatic, complex & emotionally turbulent than I’ve ever heard from Dvorak (one of my favorite composers of all time), a certain quality of realism that I find very agreeable and courageous. I do believe he was his own man and there is an inner quality of complexity to some his work that raises it above the ordinary.
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    I have been following Josef Suk ever since I feel I've come to appreciate all of Dvorak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamal Nazreddin View Post
    I have been following Josef Suk ever since I feel I've come to appreciate all of Dvorak.
    Anything particular you like by Suk?

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    Yes, I've tried Suk's symphonic works a few times but they seem rather bland. Not tried his chamber works though. Does anyone have any experience with his chamber works.

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    " Another Naxos disc that pushes all the buttons. Full of colour, Slavic under tones and dazzling twist and turns. There is more to Suk than his Asrael."

    Nice review of the disc:
    https://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-15965/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joachim Raff View Post
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    " Another Naxos disc that pushes all the buttons. Full of colour, Slavic under tones and dazzling twist and turns. There is more to Suk than his Asrael."

    Nice review of the disc:
    https://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-15965/
    You should hear Pešek, Bělohlávek and Mackerras in this music. Blows Falletta out of the water.
    “Works of art create rules; rules do not create works of art.” - Claude Debussy

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    As far as the above two posts are concerned, I think I have to agree with both of you!! That's a very fine CD, and an excellent introduction to Suk's more accessible orchestral music. And although I do try not to think "Ah! A female conductor, how refreshing..." I have been pretty impressed with everything JoAnn Falletta has done, including some pretty decent Bartok as well.

    However, there is still something immensely special about this music being played by "native" forces. The recent Belohlavek Fairy Tale on Decca is just wonderful, and there are some stupendous old recordings under Vaclav Talich worth seeking out. Pesek did a very fine survey of nearly all the orchestral music (? the only non-Supraphon recording of Epilogue included)) on Virgin, a real labour of love, that! Mackerras IS Czech, by the way, for the purposes of music, anyways...! It would also be a mistake to overlook Vaclav Neumann's handful of both top quality and important (first recording of Epilogue, first modern recording of Ripening).

    Three or four relatively recent Asrael recordings are all highly competitive - Two by Belohlavek (Supraphon and Decca), a very fine Bavarian one under Jakub Hrusa, and an Essen recording by Tomas Netopil. I have unfortunately been somewhat underwhelmed by some of Netopil's recordings, and found his Janacek distinctly bland, but this Asreal is very powerful indeed.

    My favourite piece of Suk is the successor to Asrael - A Summer's Tale. A sublime giant symphony/symphonic poem in five gorgeous movements, that has the relaxed assuredness of a great composer, fully in command of what he's doing. Makes me happy to consider Suk a great composer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CnC Bartok View Post
    As far as the above two posts are concerned, I think I have to agree with both of you!! That's a very fine CD, and an excellent introduction to Suk's more accessible orchestral music. And although I do try not to think "Ah! A female conductor, how refreshing..." I have been pretty impressed with everything JoAnn Falletta has done, including some pretty decent Bartok as well.

    However, there is still something immensely special about this music being played by "native" forces. The recent Belohlavek Fairy Tale on Decca is just wonderful, and there are some stupendous old recordings under Vaclav Talich worth seeking out. Pesek did a very fine survey of nearly all the orchestral music (? the only non-Supraphon recording of Epilogue included)) on Virgin, a real labour of love, that! Mackerras IS Czech, by the way, for the purposes of music, anyways...! It would also be a mistake to overlook Vaclav Neumann's handful of both top quality and important (first recording of Epilogue, first modern recording of Ripening).

    Three or four relatively recent Asrael recordings are all highly competitive - Two by Belohlavek (Supraphon and Decca), a very fine Bavarian one under Jakub Hrusa, and an Essen recording by Tomas Netopil. I have unfortunately been somewhat underwhelmed by some of Netopil's recordings, and found his Janacek distinctly bland, but this Asreal is very powerful indeed.

    My favourite piece of Suk is the successor to Asrael - A Summer's Tale. A sublime giant symphony/symphonic poem in five gorgeous movements, that has the relaxed assuredness of a great composer, fully in command of what he's doing. Makes me happy to consider Suk a great composer!
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    I have listened to few versions of 'Summer's Tale' but Mackerras is my favourite. The phantom of powers is a deal breaker for me. Belohlavavek on Chandos is well acclaimed. I have to agree its a great version. The fast pacing and the intensity is greater with Mackerras. No other version i have listened to comes near in this department.
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