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    Default Wagner Ring Cycles Lengths

    I am curious to compare lengths of Ring cycles. If you can post those you know and a link to where you got the length info (if online sourced), that woudl be great. I'll start with what probably is the longest Ring of them all:

    Goodall sung-in-English Ring: 16 Hours 52 Mins.

    As length submissions come in, I'll try to periodically sort them in a list from longest to shortest or vice versa.
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    I'll chip in for this Fritz. I'll need a couple of days though.
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    Here are the ones I own, from longest duration to shortest:

    Knappertsbuch (56): 15 hours, 11 minutes
    Furtwängler (RAI): 15 hours, 3 minutes
    Barenboim (91): 14 hours, 49 minutes
    Solti: 14 hours, 35 minutes
    Janowski (83): 14 hours, 10 minutes
    Keilberth (55): 14 hours, 5 minutes
    Furtwängler (La Scala): 13 hours, 55 minutes
    Böhm (66-67): 13 hours, 39 minutes

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildThing View Post
    Here are the ones I own, from longest duration to shortest:

    Knappertsbuch (56): 15 hours, 11 minutes
    Furtwängler (RAI): 15 hours, 3 minutes
    Barenboim (91): 14 hours, 49 minutes
    Solti: 14 hours, 35 minutes
    Janowski (83): 14 hours, 10 minutes
    Keilberth (55): 14 hours, 5 minutes
    Furtwängler (La Scala): 13 hours, 55 minutes
    Böhm (66-67): 13 hours, 39 minutes
    That's a nice little collection.
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    I've counted one of my favourites: the Pierre Boulez Centenary Ring in 1976. Counting all the applauses and a couple of rage moments in between the Rheingold dam, The OperaDepot Audio files clock in 14h 10m. And this Ring usually gives the feeling that the conducting is fast when Böhm goes faster, and that count doesn't have applause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WildThing View Post
    Here are the ones I own, from longest duration to shortest:

    Knappertsbuch (56): 15 hours, 11 minutes
    Furtwängler (RAI): 15 hours, 3 minutes
    Barenboim (91): 14 hours, 49 minutes
    Solti: 14 hours, 35 minutes
    Janowski (83): 14 hours, 10 minutes
    Keilberth (55): 14 hours, 5 minutes
    Furtwängler (La Scala): 13 hours, 55 minutes
    Böhm (66-67): 13 hours, 39 minutes
    How does Goodall get 16 hrs, 52 minutes out of it? It is not a mistake because I just verified the time by adding them from the backs of the sets.

    Rheingold is 2 hr, 54 mn
    Valkyrie is 4 hr, 9 mn
    Siegfried is 4 hr, 39 mn
    Twilight is 5 hr 11 mn

    That makes Goodall about 24% longer than Bohm!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    How does Goodall get 16 hrs, 52 minutes out of it? It is not a mistake because I just verified the time by adding them from the backs of the sets.

    Rheingold is 2 hr, 54 mn
    Valkyrie is 4 hr, 9 mn
    Siegfried is 4 hr, 39 mn
    Twilight is 5 hr 11 mn

    That makes Goodall about 24% longer than Bohm!
    You certainly get your money's worth! It must have been a nightmare for the singers to spend that little extra time on some of the phrases. I haven't listened to it for a while but I recall that the tempi for the forging song was languorous at best and interminable at worst. Remedios coped manfully with it, heroically, in fact. Having said that, when I first heard it on vinyl a long time ago it never seemed long. Of course I was so much younger then and Wagner was an exciting new discovery and I wasn't nearly as discerning as I am now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    You certainly get your money's worth! It must have been a nightmare for the singers to spend that little extra time on some of the phrases. I haven't listened to it for a while but I recall that the tempi for the forging song was languorous at best and interminable at worst. Remedios coped manfully with it, heroically, in fact. Having said that, when I first heard it on vinyl a long time ago it never seemed long. Of course I was so much younger then and Wagner was an exciting new discovery and I wasn't nearly as discerning as I am now.
    Wagner fans should not be in a hurry. Goodall's Ring provides several extra hours to bask in the Ring. Its a beautiful thing!
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    Bayreuth
    52 - 13' 51"
    53 - 14' 15" Keilberth
    53 - 14' 12" Krauss
    55 - 14' 6"
    56 - 15' 9"
    57 - 14' 56"
    58 - 15' 25"
    60 - 14' 21"
    61 - 14' 44"
    62 - 14' 53"
    63 - 14' 31"
    64 - 14' 24"
    65 - 13' 57"
    66 - 13' 56"
    67 - 13' 53" Böhm/ Suitner
    68 - 13' 42"
    69 - 14' 1"
    70 - 13' 52"
    71 - 13' 54"
    73 - 13' 40"
    74 - 13' 51"
    75 - 13' 54"
    76 - 14' 9"
    77 - 14' 11"
    80 - 13' 44"
    83 - 14' 55"
    91 - 14' 48"
    02 - 15' 23"
    08 - 14' 55"

    Timings are from my own iTunes database. Something round about 14' 30" seems about the mean.

    Non Bayreuth to follow.
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    ^^^
    Perfect. We can develop distribution curves for Bayreuth, non-Bayreuth, and combined.
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    Non Bayreuth

    BBC Proms 2013 - 14' 56"
    Buenos Aires 1962 - 12' 43"
    Buenos Aires 1967 - 13' 19"
    Covent Garden 1965 - 15' 20"
    Rome 1968 - 13' 12"
    ENO 1970 to 73 - 16' 23"
    Haitink - 14' 26"
    Janowski - 14' 8"
    Karajan - 14' 57"
    La Scala - 14' 10"
    Levine - 15' 19"
    Covent Garden 1959 - 14' 57"
    Covent Garden 1974 to 76 - 15' 23"
    Munich 1977 - 13' 40"
    New York Met 1951 - 12' 21" cut
    Prague 1968 - 14' 57"
    Rome 1953 - 15' 00"
    Salzburg 1968 to 70 - 14' 36"
    Solti - 14' 36"
    Stockholm 1975 - 11' 49" cut
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildThing View Post
    Here are the ones I own, from longest duration to shortest:

    Knappertsbuch (56): 15 hours, 11 minutes
    Furtwängler (RAI): 15 hours, 3 minutes
    Barenboim (91): 14 hours, 49 minutes
    Solti: 14 hours, 35 minutes
    Janowski (83): 14 hours, 10 minutes
    Keilberth (55): 14 hours, 5 minutes
    Furtwängler (La Scala): 13 hours, 55 minutes
    Böhm (66-67): 13 hours, 39 minutes
    The timing for Furtwangler La Scala is a little misleading, since there are some cuts in those performances, while all of the others are uncut.

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    Don't forget that one of the Böhms infamously cuts Gutrune's scene waiting for the return of Siegfried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gardibolt View Post
    Don't forget that one of the Böhms infamously cuts Gutrune's scene waiting for the return of Siegfried.
    An absolute heinous act. This is a delightful scene that gives you a few minutes respite between the death of Siegfried and the Immolation scene. Absolutely no need to cut it unless the singer hasn't learned the lines!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    The timing for Furtwangler La Scala is a little misleading, since there are some cuts in those performances, while all of the others are uncut.
    Wkasimer, to save me from listening to it yet again, would you know what the cuts were?
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