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    I also have a high regard for Haitink's LPO set of the Beethoven's 5 Piano Concertos, with Alfred Brendel
    The Beethoen piano concerti are something of a Haitink specialty. He also recorded them with Murray Perahia for Sony, and with Andras Schiff and the Staatskapelle Dresden, for Teldec. It's the latter one that's one of my favorite sets.
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    Yes, I have a high regard for the Haitink/Schiff Dresden set too. It's one of the best from the digital era. However, my favorite Haitink/Beethoven PC set is the one with Claudio Arrau, who was still in his prime when the Philips cycle was recorded.

    But I don't think that Haitink's special affinity for Beethoven is limited to the piano concertos. Do you feel that way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    The Beethoen piano concerti are something of a Haitink specialty. He also recorded them with Murray Perahia for Sony, and with Andras Schiff and the Staatskapelle Dresden, for Teldec. It's the latter one that's one of my favorite sets.
    Really? I'd put Perahia way above Schiff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josquin13 View Post
    But I don't think that Haitink's special affinity for Beethoven is limited to the piano concertos. Do you feel that way?
    I do. I haven't heard the LPO set, and have heard only bits of the set with the Concertgebouw, but his most recent set with the London SO is superb.

    Haitink may not be the most passionate interpreter, but I don't think that I've ever been truly disappointed by one of his recordings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    Really? I'd put Perahia way above Schiff
    I wouldn't in general, and certainly not for the Beethoven concerti, but the biggest reason I prefer the Schiff set is that the orchestral contribution is a lot more assertive.

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    "Haitink may not be the most passionate interpreter, but I don't think that I've ever been truly disappointed by one of his recordings."

    I agree, Haitink may not always be the most exciting conductor around, but he's always reliable and closely attentive to the score. I've noticed that people who haven't heard him at his best are often under the impression that he's never exciting, which that isn't always true. For example, his Beethoven 5th with the RCO is one of the most brilliant and exciting performances of that symphony I've heard in the digital era, with a lot more insight into the content of the score than Carlos Kleiber's more famous version, IMO. Yet it doesn't get anywhere near same recognition.

    I agree--the Staatskapelle Dresden are the highlight of the Schiff/Haitink set.

    Perahia records well, where he can be closely miked, but he doesn't play Beethoven piano concertos well in concert. He has too small a piano sound, and has to pound the keys in order to be heard over the orchestra--at least in a large hall. Years ago, I heard him play two Beethoven PCs with Sawallisch and the Philadelphia Orchestra at Carnegie Hall, and found it hard to listen to.
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    I don't believe I have seen mention of Zinman's cycle in these threads. Anyone have thoughts on the Zinman cycle?
    "All of Italian opera can be heard in [Bellini's] "Ah! non creda [mirarti]."
    --Renata Scotto in "Scotto, More Than a DIva."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    I don't believe I have seen mention of Zinman's cycle in these threads. Anyone have thoughts on the Zinman cycle?
    I reviewed it in my Beethoven cycles, Fritz. Its here.

    Merl's Beethoven Symphony Cycle Reviews Pt6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    I don't believe I have seen mention of Zinman's cycle in these threads. Anyone have thoughts on the Zinman cycle?
    It was interesting to hear the first time, but it hasn't worn well. OTOH, Zinman's recordings of the concerti with Bronfman and Tetzlaff are superb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    I reviewed it in my Beethoven cycles, Fritz. Its here.

    Merl's Beethoven Symphony Cycle Reviews Pt6
    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    It was interesting to hear the first time, but it hasn't worn well. OTOH, Zinman's recordings of the concerti with Bronfman and Tetzlaff are superb.

    Whelp, I think I'll listen to Monteux' cycle next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    It was interesting to hear the first time, but it hasn't worn well. OTOH, Zinman's recordings of the concerti with Bronfman and Tetzlaff are superb.
    What he said about the symphonies. I haven't heard the concerti.

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