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Does Classical Music Study Turn One Against Liberalism?

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Do you think that after knowing classical music, it tends to make a person less liberal and more moderate or conservative?

As a moderate, I feel that liberalism, in the same way as communism, is slowly fading out. People like Jordan Peterson show how academia is turning against liberal ideas. I hold environmental views and championing the rights of the poor and working class, and most of my friends since my teen years could be called liberal. I don't like divisiveness around people where it need not be in the slightest way, and so I don't use political terms to talk about human beings. I don't think that the terms liberal and conservative are real world descriptions, much like the way some philosophers say that language cannot talk about metaphysical ideas accurately.

So, not asking people to come out saying they are liberal or conservative just if the values that it takes to listen to and even play classical music has less of a chance in a liberal mindset than conservative.
 
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It was stated in the title of the thread [...]
What "it"?

As I pointed out earlier, the OP asks two different questions, and whilst some have given a broad answer to the title ("listening to CM has made me more/less conservative/liberal"), others have preferred to consider the second question without reference to music at all and simply explain why they reject/embrace a particular political viewpoint.

The nature of classical music verses pop music speaks to the topic
What this has to do with the price of bread I'm not sure...
 
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To the OP: There is absolutely no correlation between one's love/enjoyment/experience in classical music and politics. I have met lovers of classical music who are conservative politically and other's who are leftist. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

Now, on terms: having studied the etymology of political thought since my teenage years, the term "liberal" has evolved throughout the past 50 years or so. The classic JFK "Liberal" is by today's standards a conservative. Leftism has pretty much taken over liberalism and the Democratic Party. I use the term "leftist" or "Progressive" instead of "Liberal." Liberalism (JFK type) was against leftism. I am pretty much a classic JFK Liberal which pretty much means I'm a conservative.

The ONLY difference between a conservative and a JFK Liberal is size of government, and it's quite a big difference. Liberalism has so much more in common with conservatism than it does with leftism. Alan Dershowitz is a classic liberal as is Dave Rubin to give two examples. George Soros and Harry Reid are leftists as two examples.

So, it's important to get terms correct. Then, we can have clarity.

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#104 · (Edited)
To the OP: There is absolutely no correlation between one's love/enjoyment/experience in classical music and politics. I have met lovers of classical music who are conservative politically and other's who are leftist. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

Now, on terms:
Thanks for this part of your answer. You add weight to those who think that there is causal connection.

The rest of your post (and, consequently, eugene's reply) has overlooked the mods request to keep away from pure politics. You run the risk that the thread is closed before it can be shown that what you, eugene and I agree on is a majority view.
 
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