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    Default Requiem vs. Requiem

    Probably the two best-known and often recorded Requiems of the 19th century are Berlioz's and Verdi's. Which one do you prefer?

    For me, it's the Berlioz. While I enjoy both works, Berlioz's is the more engaging. I can sit through all of the Berlioz whereas I usually have to take the Verdi in about two doses.

    While the Verdi is harmonically more daring, I think the Berlioz is more melodic and thus falls a little easier on the ears.

    This is not a "which is better," merely "which do you prefer?"
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    Berlioz wins hands down, but of course, you didn't see that one coming, did you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirror Image View Post
    Berlioz wins hands down, but of course, you didn't see that one coming, did you?
    There were never any doubts, my dear Mirror.
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    I don't know either! I've got some listening to do...
    You get a frog in your throat, you sound hoarse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by World Violist View Post
    I don't know either! I've got some listening to do...
    Yes, you do, WV and Berlioz is some serious listening.

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    Am I the only Verdi lover? Even though I like Berlioz a lot, his requiem sounds a bit weird to my ears, too much homophonic to my taste, too much ostinati, incredibly, Verdi is a more academical composer. I just love his power, he would become a stylist only later with Otello, but until then, he was a source of larger than life dramatic power, but it worked so well here, the Tuba Mirum is like a punch in the stomach, but I like it...

    There is a famous recording of Toscanini shouting with the orchestra: Più forte, più forte!, it's so intense, I don't change it for nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdelykleon View Post
    Am I the only Verdi lover? Even though I like Berlioz a lot, his requiem sounds a bit weird to my ears, too much homophonic to my taste, too much ostinati, incredibly, Verdi is a more academical composer. I just love his power, he would become a stylist only later with Otello, but until then, he was a source of larger than life dramatic power, but it worked so well here, the Tuba Mirum is like a punch in the stomach, but I like it...

    There is a famous recording of Toscanini shouting with the orchestra: Più forte, più forte!, it's so intense, I don't change it for nothing.
    Berlioz's Requiem is a splendid piece of music. Verdi did a good job with his Requiem as well and it is, indeed, powerful, but it doesn't make me come away thinking about it. It's not thought-provoking like all the other requiems I've heard.

    I just like Berlioz better as composer. He was much more original. His orchestrations are a sonic marvel. You can hear a few measures of Berlioz and know it is his music being played. That kind of distinction is truly remarkable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirror Image View Post
    I just like Berlioz better as composer. He was much more original. His orchestrations are a sonic marvel. You can hear a few measures of Berlioz and know it is his music being played. That kind of distinction is truly remarkable.
    I agree, but sometimes it doesn't work to me. Do you like his Te Deum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdelykleon View Post
    I agree, but sometimes it doesn't work to me. Do you like his Te Deum?
    I like all of Berlioz's choral and orchestral works. For me, there's not a bad litter in the bunch.
    Last edited by Mirror Image; Jun-05-2009 at 02:16.

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    I voted Verdi. I have yet to warm to Berlioz - even the Symphonie fantastique. So many people appreciate him, I know I'm just missing something. It'll click someday.

    My favorite requiem is actually neither of these, but that's for another topic.

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    Tough choice but Berlioz seems more "revolutionary" to me whereas Verdi plods along with common thematic material. Just my own opinion.

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    Oh my god Verdi. It's immense.
    Si vos agnosco is tunc vos es quoque erudio

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    Liszt's is better than either.

    I'm not keen on Berlioz's, and Verdi's is just hilariously bombastic (Fauré wrote his wonderful Requiem as a kind of riposte to Verdi).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzeleide View Post
    Liszt's is better than either.

    I'm not keen on Berlioz's, and Verdi's is just hilariously bombastic (Fauré wrote his wonderful Requiem as a kind of riposte to Verdi).
    Brahms wrote a beautiful Requiem too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirror Image View Post
    Brahms wrote a beautiful Requiem too.
    Good point!

    Yes, Brahms's is wonderful. How could I forget? I've sung bass in it.

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