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    Quote Originally Posted by chill782002 View Post
    No Furtwangler or Knappertsbusch, and Jochum only for the Masses? I agree with you Ken, this list is more of a sales pitch than a serious set of recommendations.
    I think it's more about posting news articles easy to browse on the internet with SEU technologies. I think the individual reviews are much more elaborated but I think ionarts and others offer more complete surveys.

    Hey, there are particular threads for Bruckner symphony recordings. The more we keep this conversation about Gramophone and their reviews the better.



    For Bruckner addicts only: Bruckner top Recordings per Symphony

    suggestions for Bruckner Complete Symphony set?
    Picking your Favorite Bruckner Set(s) (Either Complete or Partial)
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    Much as I like them in some things (Karajan especially), I never really enjoyed Karajan's or Wand's Bruckner. The Gramophone has long held them up as "the best".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiast View Post
    Much as I like them in some things (Karajan especially), I never really enjoyed Karajan's or Wand's Bruckner. The Gramophone has long held them up as "the best".
    I've never really been convinced by Karajan's Bruckner but I know a lot of people who disagree. I prefer Wand to Karajan where Bruckner is concerned but Furtwangler, Knappertsbusch and Jochum are my first choice. All personal taste at the end of the day.

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    Most of those "Top" recordings as they say, I have compared in detail specific about recording quality, and they are far from what I consider a top recording. Honestly there nothing that can compete against the (incomplete) series from Denon with Skrowaczewksi. Details here http://www.ecliptic.ch/audiophile/an...symphonies.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by THUaudiophile View Post
    Most of those "Top" recordings as they say, I have compared in detail specific about recording quality, and they are far from what I consider a top recording. Honestly there nothing that can compete against the (incomplete) series from Denon with Skrowaczewksi. Details here http://www.ecliptic.ch/audiophile/an...symphonies.php
    How do these Denons compared to Skrowaczewski's recordings with the Saarbrucken RSO, issued by Oehms?

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    The Adagio of the 1873 (original) version of Symphony is significantly different and longer than the subsequent two versions (the Adagio was majorly cut in the 1877 version). If your favorite Symphony #3 is not the 1873 version, you're almost listening to a different Adagio. The Tintner 1873 is exceptional and is mentioned here:

    Bruckner, The Great Early Adagios (Symphonies 2 and 3)

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    Wow!! To each their own, but this Gramophone list is not even close to my top Bruckner recordings. I must have some very weird Brucknerian taste

    Complete - Skrowaczewski
    00 - Tintner
    0 - Schaller, Barenboim (DG)
    1 - Neumann, Jochum (DG), Suitner (Berlin Classics)
    2 - Giulini, Young
    3 - Kubelik (Audite)
    4 - Karajan (EMI), Celibidache (EMI)
    5 - Horenstein (BBC), Welser-Möst (EMI), Celibidache (EMI), Karajan (DG), Barenboim (Teldec-BPO), Furtwängler (M&A-1942)
    6 - Solti, Asahina (JVC), Celibidache, Bongartz
    7 - Böhm (Audite), Giulini, Sanderling
    8 - Suitner (Berlin Classics), Giulini (BBC), Asahina (Canyon Classics-1994), Celibidache (EMI), Maazel (EMI)
    9 - Giulini (DG), Kubelik (Orfeo), von Hausegger (Preiser)

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    As Granate's surveys showed, it's hard enough to pick a top 10 for individual symphonies, let alone the entire oeuvre. The list is still not as satisfying as it ought to be. The 5th might be my favourite symphony of all, but sticking two recordings on the list with no 7th seems a bit obtuse, given how great and accessible 7 is. I think I'll check out the Abbado/Lucerne DVD though, as a live Abbado/Lucerne performance of the symphony got a rave review in the Guardian - https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...io-abbado-cern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kollwitz View Post
    As Granate's surveys showed, it's hard enough to pick a top 10 for individual symphonies, let alone the entire oeuvre. The list is still not as satisfying as it ought to be.
    Thank you Kollwitz (you must have been surfing around TC Orchestral to find my buried threads ). For several reasons, including some concessions to Becca and realdealblues, I've been preparing a new Bruckner survey since December. Looking back, I'm not very happy with the methods, results and considerations I made in my Bruckner challenge in 2016 and early 2017.

    Therefore, I've been making a new survey, less exhaustive in reviewing material but more thoughtful about sound, music and versions used. I'm still entitled to my own opinion and will disagree with mentioned members about Rattle's No.9 finale or unauthored editions. I hope it becomes much more useful. The thing is that now I'm more eager to do French Opera challenges than writing more posts about Anton Bruckner's discography.

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    Your effort in making them is much appreciated. I discovered one of the threads when googling 'Bruckner 8 best recordings' and then sought out the others. Even where I disagree (I'm a big fan of the Boulez Bruckner 8 and Vienna 44 Furtwangler 8), I understand your reasoning and there's great value in having such a thoughtful and comprehensive survey. Just received the Wand Lubeck Bruckner 8, partly as a result of your review. You also convinced me that the Giulini Bruckner 9 was worth purchasing, which I'm very grateful for. Will be very interested to read your revisions, though I can well appreciate the appeal of a diversion into French opera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kollwitz View Post
    Just received the Wand Lubeck Bruckner 8, partly as a result of your review.
    You mean this beauty?

    ............

    I had never listened to the Lübeck No.9 before, but both performances in those acoustics are incredible with top-quality headphones indoors. Or did you just get the No.8 double cd in the old box?
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    That one! Listened to the first two movements of 8 on the way to work this morning, will have a listen on headphones this evening. The resonance of the cathedral is magnificent. I really like the NDR brass sound too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kollwitz View Post
    That one! Listened to the first two movements of 8 on the way to work this morning, will have a listen on headphones this evening. The resonance of the cathedral is magnificent. I really like the NDR brass sound too.
    Unlike the new Rémy Ballot St. Florian recordings, ignoring the pace contoversy, the microphones seem to be much closer to the brass than the strings, which I think it was the best decision to avoid excessive reverberation in the final sound.
    Last edited by Granate; Jun-13-2018 at 14:16. Reason: finally found out how to write "reverberation"

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Gramophone seems to be falling on hard times. Its subject matter, physical media classical recordings, is a rapidly shrinking market. It has changed hands twice in recent years, and I doubt that it has been a big moneymaker for anyone. Four years ago, its circulation was 24 thousand in total, and that included digital subscribers! I have no idea what it is today, but I’d guess even smaller at least so far as paid subscribers are concerned.

    Under the circumstances, there must be a constant temptation to recycle old material (for cost savings) and to preferentially review recordings from advertisers and to find them good. I’d guess that Gramophone will go the way of the Schwann catalog, sooner rather than later.
    Sounds like the fate of The Grauniad; losing money like a reckless gambler.

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