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Thread: SS 16.06.18 - Shostakovich #2 "To October"

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    Going with Haitink later on.
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    I listened to that ancient RCA recording with Morton Gould conducting the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra and Chorus. The symphony rose quite a bit in my esteem this time around, maybe because Gould does a very fine job. Or maybe I was just listening more carefully.

    The first part, before the chorus, builds through about eight minutes to a frenzy of almost unbearable intensity before dropping off to a more relaxed episode leading to the finale. There, the choral writing sounds good and is well-balanced with the orchestra. To my ear, there’s nothing “false” here, it all seems quite honestly impassioned -- if not terribly inspired.

    Of course it’s easy for us to see our “rockets’ red glare” or our Lincoln Portrait as “patriotism,” while consigning Shostakovich’s honest patriotism to the bin of “propaganda.” That’s not likely to change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Maybe RCA meant, "World Premiere recordings of Morton Gould conducting these works." Anyway, must not have busted the charts because I don't think he recorded any more.
    Back in the mid/late '60s, when the cold war was very much at it's height, it is unlikely that anyone would have had access to the Melodiya recording (which would presumably have been from a live concert). Although the original Melodiya recording may have been available in the USSR, HMV Melodiya wasn't introduced until the 1970s, so the original pressings would still have been a inaccessible to most at the time the Gould recording was made. It is probably true that the Gould recording was a world premiere studio recording, though the sleeve doesn't make that distinction.
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    That occurred to me as well. RCA may have simply not known about the Soviet recording, made for domestic consumption.


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    Quote Originally Posted by D Smith View Post
    This is my least favourite Shostakovich symphony, but who knows? Perhaps I'll change my mind on another listen. It will be Petrenko/Royal Liverpool here.

    Will start with this one and pick Barshai next.

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    I decided to go for a recording that I've not heard mentioned before, the recent Tatarstan National Symphony Orchestra / Alexander Sladkovsky cycle on Melodiya, which can be found on Spotify.
    It's a long time since I've heard this symphony, and I'm very glad I chose this recording because it showed me in crystal clarity just how much the 4th symphony owes to this earlier work (feel free to disagree). Obviously the choral finale is made of different stuff - call it propaganda, call it patriotism, whatever - potato/potato - but the rest of the symphony has a completely different style to what he had written in his 1st symphony containing many bits of themes, rhythms, full-on orchestra and solo parts. I found myself surprised at how much like Prokofiev the very end sounded, and definitely it's a symphony I'm going to explore further.
    By the way, the Sladkovsky recording has a real factory siren.
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    It had to be this one today. RIP.

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    Haitink with the LPO for me - frankly the Symphony is not as bad as I remembered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    I listened to that ancient RCA recording with Morton Gould conducting the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra and Chorus. The symphony rose quite a bit in my esteem this time around, maybe because Gould does a very fine job. Or maybe I was just listening more carefully.

    The first part, before the chorus, builds through about eight minutes to a frenzy of almost unbearable intensity before dropping off to a more relaxed episode leading to the finale. There, the choral writing sounds good and is well-balanced with the orchestra. To my ear, there’s nothing “false” here, it all seems quite honestly impassioned -- if not terribly inspired.

    Of course it’s easy for us to see our “rockets’ red glare” or our Lincoln Portrait as “patriotism,” while consigning Shostakovich’s honest patriotism to the bin of “propaganda.” That’s not likely to change.
    I think that is a fair summary of my thoughts
    Definitely worth more listening time
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    Rozhdestvensky. Big loss, very sad indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pickett View Post
    Rozhdestvensky. Big loss, very sad indeed.
    Agree.
    The generation of conductors that first introduced me to classical music in the late eighties are becoming fewer far too quickly these days.
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    I'll go for this one.

    Gürzenich-Orchester Köln
    Dmitrij Kitajenko (conductor)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biwa View Post
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    I'll go for this one.

    Gürzenich-Orchester Köln
    Dmitrij Kitajenko (conductor)
    I finally got around to listening to it, this same recording, this morning. I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it. The Conductor really does ratchet up the intensity of the first part, and the Choral part is mercifully brief.

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    Surprised at some of the comments here. Definitely a DSCH symphony that I visit on occasion instead of playing regurlarly like S4, S5, S10, etc etc but the beginning always sounded very Ivesian to me - which is never a bad thing! It sounds very modern, which is why I dig it. When the choir enters, the first time I was taken aback and almost overwhelmed, I just wasn't expecting it!I personally think its quite good, just not on the level of his masterpieces.

    Haitink, Barshai, Kondrashin, Gergiev

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalkpie View Post
    Surprised at some of the comments here. Definitely a DSCH symphony that I visit on occasion instead of playing regurlarly like S4, S5, S10, etc etc but the beginning always sounded very Ivesian to me - which is never a bad thing! It sounds very modern, which is why I dig it. When the choir enters, the first time I was taken aback and almost overwhelmed, I just wasn't expecting it!I personally think its quite good, just not on the level of his masterpieces.

    Haitink, Barshai, Kondrashin, Gergiev
    Thanks, that was an interesting and intelligent defense of a work that even I find it hard to sit through, especially the choral part, and I'm a big fan of Shostakovich and the mid-20th century modern aesthetic generally. I think it best to approach it as a cultural as well as political history buff, as it reflects a unique and pivotal time and place in human history. Barshai seems to have the right spirit. Victory over oppression! Huzzah!

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