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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiast View Post
    Just as we express opinions and expect them to be taken as such without resorting to IMOs, musicologists do the same. I more or less agree with the tweet - it is both literally true and aesthetically a fairly sensible view. But it is rather limited and unimaginative. I suppose more of the context in which it was said might make it more clear whether the point was made against an equally defensible view. Yes, it is true that some composers probably thought they were "talking to God" without being schizophrenics. And many more musicians might have thought (or even still think) that they do what they do for God. But does anyone these days (even chanting monks) believe they are playing to God?
    Seriously?
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    I didn't even know about living religions at all until I was about 9 or 10 years old to tell you the truth. I thought churches were old community buildings and that religions were things like greek and egyptian mythology.

    I don't think any composer's sole intended audience is any metaphysical, religious being, but I won't question that there are people these days inspired by the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janxharris View Post
    Seriously?
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    I was serious, yes. But I could be wrong. I can't claim to be in touch with what very religious people think and feel - except for on the more political side (fundamentalists etc). I'm sure monks pray to their god. But I didn't think that, when it comes to music and aiming at musical excellence, modern monks would feel that was to their god so much as for the glory of their god. But I could be very wrong in that: are there any musical monks (or ex-monks) on the forum? Also, I am guilty of only really referring to Christian monks living in the modern western world. I do certainly know some very religious people living within other cultural traditions who live their whole lives as a love affair with their god - and I respect that just so long as it doesn't lead (as it often does) to a reinforcement of feudal social arrangements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nereffid View Post
    Seen on Twitter recently:

    "What's something that seems obvious within your profession but your profession misunderstands anyway?"

    "Music is made by people, performed by people, and listened to BY PEOPLE, in the world, culturally & socially. It's not about one guy conversing with the heavens or some dumb ***t like that"

    (The reply comes from a musicologist. I slightly edited it to remove an aspect of it that would probably distract from the main point)

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    If one says music is made by people, performed by people, and listened to BY PEOPLE, in the world, culturally & socially, then I say: congratulations, that's a very clever statement!

    If one says music isn't (at least a big part) about a guy conversing with the heavens, then (in my eyes) you're denying musical history. If that statement is followed with "or some dumb ***t like that" he's probably still struggling with frustrations caused by a severe religious upbringing.

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    Ah, ok, it's a she and it's about a white guy conversing with the heavens.

    In that case she's frustrated about patriarchal society and of course she's obviously 100% right

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathisdermaler View Post
    Yes, plenty of white musicians "stole" the "black sound" (there is so much ambiguity in all these terms that it's hard to even comprehend the argument at any detailed level) and had success. Black musicians like Chuck Berry did the same thing with the same influences and had success also. (I know Berry not being as successful as Elvis among whites is considered racist, but Elvis probably wasn't as successful as Berry was among blacks and if he was that's only because those blacks were living in a predominantly white society, so that point is totally moot).
    My only point was that the early black blues 'repertoire' has been co-opted and overshadowed by white musicians whereas dead white classical composers are still perceived to be the most important and famous persons within the world of classical music. Whether either of these things is good or bad, I don't venture to say.
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