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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Ante View Post
    OK I would hope there is more to it as a decent Hi Fi set up should get all of that apart from surround sound, that will come with a decent listening room in the form of reflected sound, I have a holographic selector on my pre amp which gives the equivalent of surround sound but once the novelty wore of I just stick to normal stereo.
    No listening room involved; I use headphones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jegreenwood View Post
    By out of order, do you mean it inserts the added disc after the current track? If that's your concern, you can avoid it with advance planning. I'll assume you're starting with an empty play queue. Instead of just selecting album 1 and hitting play, select the album and choose play next. Then you can start playing the newly queued tracks. After that you can add a second album to the end by choosing add to play queue.

    In my case, I only use the computer based app when I am sitting at my computer. Otherwise I will have Tidal streaming to another device with my phone as a remote control. I do this with Squeezeboxes and the Aries Mini. I have also tested it with Google Chrome Audio (where you start Tidal on your phone and cast the music to the Chrome), but the Squeezebox remote app can control the Google device, so I don't use the Tidal app for casting.
    Let's say there is a recording composed of several volumes or discs, and I wish to listen to just one of them. How do I do that? With a CD I insert it in the player, push play, and problem solved. With newer technology however everything is harder. There is no option for simply playing a recording up until a point. If you try to add a selection of tracks to either the queue or a playlist, it will add them in disorder, for instance 5., 6., 7., 8., 1., 2., 3., 4. Correcting this can be very difficult because, firstly, most of the time you can't see the track number as the column is too narrow and the text description is interrupted, and secondly, some albums have 30, 40 or 50 tracks.

    I attempted to give these services a try but both the abysmal sound quality and usage complexities bring me back to trusty old CDs, the most enjoyable way ever to listen to music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    No listening room involved; I use headphones.
    Aha that explanes your reasoning

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicalListener View Post
    Let's say there is a recording composed of several volumes or discs, and I wish to listen to just one of them. How do I do that? With a CD I insert it in the player, push play, and problem solved. With newer technology however everything is harder. There is no option for simply playing a recording up until a point. If you try to add a selection of tracks to either the queue or a playlist, it will add them in disorder, for instance 5., 6., 7., 8., 1., 2., 3., 4. Correcting this can be very difficult because, firstly, most of the time you can't see the track number as the column is too narrow and the text description is interrupted, and secondly, some albums have 30, 40 or 50 tracks.

    I attempted to give these services a try but both the abysmal sound quality and usage complexities bring me back to trusty old CDs, the most enjoyable way ever to listen to music.
    I'm not sure I follow. If I want to listen to disc 2 of Pierre-Laurent Aimard playing WTC (chosen by me at random just now), I select the album, scroll down to Volume 2 and play the first track. The others tracks follow in order. If I want to add tracks, I can use the procedure I described earlier. (I do have to add them 1 by 1 but they are added in the order I select. n.b. I can't remember the last time I wanted to do that.) If I want to stop at a specific point, and I am not using my phone as a remote (as I generally do when I am not at my computer), I would have to get up and hit stop. But wouldn't you have to get up and put in a new disc?

    I am certainly not saying that the streaming services handle classical music with elegance. The search engines are terrible, but you can learn how to increase the likelihood of finding what you want. They are playlist/shuffle, not album, oriented, but you can minimize that problem as well. And they give you access to a massive library of music, including recordings that are OOP, recordings that you may only wish to hear on rare occasions, and in my case, recordings that I won't buy because I am running out of space in my apartment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jegreenwood View Post
    I'm not sure I follow. If I want to listen to disc 2 of Pierre-Laurent Aimard playing WTC (chosen by me at random just now), I select the album, scroll down to Volume 2 and play the first track. The others tracks follow in order. If I want to add tracks, I can use the procedure I described earlier. (I do have to add them 1 by 1 but they are added in the order I select. n.b. I can't remember the last time I wanted to do that.) If I want to stop at a specific point, and I am not using my phone as a remote (as I generally do when I am not at my computer), I would have to get up and hit stop. But wouldn't you have to get up and put in a new disc?
    How do you get the program to play just disc 2 and then stop by itself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicalListener View Post
    How do you get the program to play just disc 2 and then stop by itself?
    From my prior post:

    "If I want to stop at a specific point, and I am not using my phone as a remote (as I generally do when I am not at my computer), I would have to get up and hit stop. But wouldn't you have to get up and put in a new disc?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by jegreenwood View Post
    From my prior post:

    "If I want to stop at a specific point, and I am not using my phone as a remote (as I generally do when I am not at my computer), I would have to get up and hit stop. But wouldn't you have to get up and put in a new disc?"
    I don't want to be checking a screen while I'm listening. I want to sit down, enjoy the program, and have it stop by itself when it's over. I don't want to check after each track to see if it was the last of the selection I wished to listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicalListener View Post
    I don't want to be checking a screen while I'm listening. I want to sit down, enjoy the program, and have it stop by itself when it's over. I don't want to check after each track to see if it was the last of the selection I wished to listen.
    I guess I listen differently. To use my example of WTC, maybe I want to start with Book II. I play the Prelude in C from Book II and keep listening until I want to hear something else. It's rarely tied into what's on a particular disc. And while I would be unlikely to break up prelude and fugue, if they were treated as a single track (as they sometimes are) I actually might want to shuffle them.

    On the other hand it's nice not to have to get up and change discs while listening to the St. Matthew Passion.

    Edit - given that I have ripped all my CDs to a hard drive, the same pretty much goes when I listen to them.
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    Regarding the problem of how to search for classical music (i.e., a schema for metadata), has anyone tried this free enhancement to Spotify? http://getconcertmaster.com/

    I've downloaded the app, but have not yet tried it. I think the reason is that I rarely use Spotify Premium. Note to self: either start using Spotify Premium - and try Concertmaster - or stop paying for it.

    My preferred way to consume classical music is Blu-ray audio/video featuring surround sound, followed by hi-res audio recordings featuring surround sound.

    I find Youtube convenient for exploring music - but again, I need to give Concertmaster a try before I cancel Spotify Premium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicalListener View Post
    I don't want to be checking a screen while I'm listening. I want to sit down, enjoy the program, and have it stop by itself when it's over. I don't want to check after each track to see if it was the last of the selection I wished to listen.
    I find that a CD will do that the only thing I stream is the radio

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    I tried Concertmaster this afternoon, and gave up in frustration.

    When I accessed Spotify Premium for the first time in more than a month, I met a familiar aggravation. Following is the explanation that I gave Spotify for cancelling their service today (which is the same reason I gave Tidal for cancelling their service):

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    My opinion is that Spotify is not very smart from a marketing perspective. (To put it politely.) I listen to classical music and opera. Nonetheless, every time I log in, Spotify pushes rap (or some other form of pop music) music (and associated imagery) at me. I (intensely) dislike this.

    It seems to me that the smart thing to do would be to set the “theme” of the GUI (e.g., pictures of artists) – and, more importantly, the recommended recordings - based on the type of music that the CUSTOMER likes, not what the owners of Spotify like (or get paid to promote). Every time I accessed Spotify I got the impression that your service isn’t intended for me.

    Why not make a classical music fan feel at home, and recommend relevant recordings? Why not make a country music fan feel at home, and recommend relevant recordings? And make a heavy metal fan feel at home, and recommend relevant recordings? Etc, etc.

    It’s Spotify’s right to push whatever music you want. It’s my right to not use your service.

    The second reason I quit: poor ability to search for classical music. NEWS FLASH: Not everyone in the world listens to pop music. The concept of “album” and “band” and “song” doesn’t fit for classical music, where there is a composer, composition, conductor, orchestra, numerous soloists, etc.

    The third reason: This survey demonstrates your myopia (and/or the limitations of your technology). My preferred way to consume classical music: hi-res surround-sound audio/video (i.e., Blu-ray and Ultra HD Blu-ray). My second choice: hi-res multi-channel audio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Ante View Post
    I find that a CD will do that the only thing I stream is the radio
    Correct. I'll say it again: the CD is along with the paper book one of the greatest consumer products ever created and the best way there is of enjoying music.

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    So I find an interesting recording and look it up on Tidal. Notice anything... out of order?:

    https://tidal.com/album/68506055

    Ordered the CD, along with some incredible bargains, from JPC.de.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicalListener View Post
    I don't want to be checking a screen while I'm listening. I want to sit down, enjoy the program, and have it stop by itself when it's over. I don't want to check after each track to see if it was the last of the selection I wished to listen.
    My own method when I want to listen to a longer work (this week’s Saturday Symphony, for instance). I download the movements from YouTube and save them at MP3 files. Then when I want to listen, I just drag them into Foobar and play them like any other music. I can start and stop at my pleasure, and when it’s over it’s over. I can save the files for later repeat listening, of course. And I no longer accidently close the YouTube tab in my browser at just the wrong time!


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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertKC View Post

    . . .

    My opinion is that Spotify is not very smart from a marketing perspective. (To put it politely.) I listen to classical music and opera. Nonetheless, every time I log in, Spotify pushes rap (or some other form of pop music) music (and associated imagery) at me. I (intensely) dislike this.

    . . .
    If you think that's a problem with Spotify, try using a streaming service owned (in part) by Jay-Z. But I do get to hear Beyonce's albums right away.

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