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    Well, y’all have piqued my interest. Where is a good place to start with Rameau? I’m not a big opera guy. Maybe harpsichord/piano music?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    Maybe harpsichord/piano music?
    That would be my recommendation. Although I'm more of a Couperin fan based on the little I've listened to of both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    Well, y’all have piqued my interest. Where is a good place to start with Rameau? I’m not a big opera guy. Maybe harpsichord/piano music?
    Not being an opera fan notwithstanding, I'd still consider Les Indes Galantes. I have a DVD


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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    Well, y’all have piqued my interest. Where is a good place to start with Rameau? I’m not a big opera guy. Maybe harpsichord/piano music?
    Try these




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    It’s very trivial music.

    The Marcel Meyer is well worth catching. And this one is every bit as nice, maybe nicer

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    Moving away from keyboard music, this is very agreeable, you can probably find it on YouTube, and indeed the Meyer and Cziffra.

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    Lots of good recommendations, thanks. I'm looking especially at the Brüggen/Kujiken/Leonhardt (talk about a stacked lineup...!) and the Savall, and the Rousset looks good too. I listened to a bit of this:



    ...& thought it very good. I like the "Pièces de clavecin en concerts" the most of what I've heard.

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    Don’t dismiss the keyboard music. The reason I say that is that there has been over the past 10 years or so quite a radical reappraisal of how to play it. The extrovert, motoric, virtuoso and dramatic approach has been to some extent abandoned for experiments with a more sensual and poetic style. The leader of this approach in Rameau, the premier de cordée as Emanuel Macron would say, is Bertrand Cuiller. Cuiller reveals a Rameau imbued in luxe, calme et volupté. I was an a bit negative about Rameau’s music and indeed his ideas, his philosophy, but I must say this CD prompted me to reappraise, to revise, my opinion slightly. While I still think that Rameau’s music is utterly trivial and totally forgettable, I think that the Cuillier approach makes it a pleasant if indulgent momentary diversion.

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    That said, there is a really special “old fashioned” Rameau recording, a mythical iconic recording in fact, a recording so good that when you hear it you may well forget all others. It was made by Scott Ross, and it was I think his first recording. This is the one which made him explode into the world - and it is arguably his most rewarding achievement.

    The performance style is full of passion and intensity and infectious energy, he has you humming and tapping your feet. The harpsichord is his usual one, at the castle in Assas, France, it is very attractively captured in the recording.

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    ^I'm not sure if your suggestions are ones I want to be following with this composer, considering you consider his music fundamentally "trivial" and "forgettable". That being said, you've piqued my interest with that Scott Ross, so I'll have to look into it.

    Edit: That collection is extremely rare. Going for over €100. Not quite sure it'd be a worthy investment.
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    The instrumental music of Rameau is absolutely wonderful. It's the operas which aren't so accessible, IMO. So highly stylized and decorated and also quite dissonant for the age. But I absolutely adore this work for the stage by Rameau: my introduction to his operas. And this is the actual recording I have. Love the chopping action of the sculptor represented in the introduction!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdnHx03VNPo

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post

    Edit: That collection is extremely rare. Going for over €100. Not quite sure it'd be a worthy investment.
    It certainly would not! Let me know if you want the files.
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    I can recommend these two recordings. Bruggen is a trustworthy advocate of Rameau and he recorded orchestral suites, assembled from the operas. You can hear the stellar beauty of Rameau's music without the words. Currentzis made his recording from all separate pieces from Rameau's work with the passion we know from him. It is more extreme than Bruggen, but combined you will be well served. Sometimes you dive into Currentzis and Bruggen is there for the long term.

    Both contain the piece (from 'les Boreades') with the single most beautiful title in musical history: Entree pour les Muses, les Zéphyrs, les Saisons, les Heures et les Arts..... Currentzis takes this piece at a very slow tempo, and makes it one of the most intense moving musical pieces I know. Currentzis own liner notes are also most inspiring.

    Rameau absolutely deserves more airtime.

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    Les Boreades is probably my favorite baroque opera (there is some strong competition from Purcell and Monteverdi)

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