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    BBC story lede: “Greenland has said it is ‘not for sale’ after President Donald Trump stated that he would like the US to buy the world's biggest island.”

    The article makes much fun of the idea, which Trump has been discussing due to the island’s national security implications. One Danish politician is quoted as saying, "If he is truly contemplating this, then this is final proof that he has gone mad."

    In fact, the idea is nothing new. Such a purchase was discussed as early as the 1860s, with the State Department issuing an 1867 report favorable to the purchase. Later, in 1946, President Truman offered Denmark $100 million for the territory. It was evidently not accepted.


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    An amusing development. In the US, people don’t really vote for president! They vote instead for a slate of “electors” in their state pledged to vote for a specific candidate. The winning slate of electors then cast their votes in the electoral college, which determines the new president.

    In the past, there have been many cases of “faithless electors” who have violated their pledges and voted for someone other than their party’s choice. Usually, the states involved have invalidated these votes and appointed new electors who would vote as promised.

    Suddenly, a federal appeals court has ruled that electors have complete freedom to vote as they wish, and the states cannot overrule or change their votes. In fact, this is how the Constitution reads.

    It’s looking like the 2020 elections may be quite entertaining!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Iowa Rep. Steve King has everybody, right and left, screaming for blood with his latest. He wonders if there would be "any population of the world" remaining if not for people born as a result of rape or incest.

    "What if we went back through all the family trees and just pulled out anyone who was a product of rape or incest. Would there be any population of the world left if we did that?"

    He is defending the omissions of rape and incest exceptions in abortion prohibitions. Democrats and Republicans alike are calling for his resignation. Which of course begs the question: Is he right? I suspect not, but will defer to anybody who knows the science here better than I do!

    When you look at your family tree it's easy to see that removing one grandparent means that you wouldn't have been born. How many grandparents are there in 1000 years? 1000 years was roughly 30 generations ago - then your number of grandparents is two to the 30th, 1,073,741,824 (you need to somehow remove duplicates).
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    An amusing development. In the US, people don’t really vote for president! They vote instead for a slate of “electors” in their state pledged to vote for a specific candidate. The winning slate of electors then cast their votes in the electoral college, which determines the new president.

    In the past, there have been many cases of “faithless electors” who have violated their pledges and voted for someone other than their party’s choice. Usually, the states involved have invalidated these votes and appointed new electors who would vote as promised.

    Suddenly, a federal appeals court has ruled that electors have complete freedom to vote as they wish, and the states cannot overrule or change their votes. In fact, this is how the Constitution reads.

    It’s looking like the 2020 elections may be quite entertaining!
    I have been extremely intense, loud, annoying and persistent in pointing out this bastardization of the Constitution's plain meaning for years now, and whether they hear, or whether they do not hear, they have known that a prophet hath been among them. I dance for joy; I leap; I sing! I need to have a party now. Excuse me.

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    https://www.uk.vikingvalley.no
    Today I found out that a new colleague lives in the Viking Valley during summers, and knows A LOT about viking history and the middle ages. Hopefully I can buy myself a bottle of mead that he makes at his farm. He said you can get drunk twice from drinking mead. Maybe I'll like it...He agreed on my statement that mackrell in tomato sauce on crisp bread is viking food
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    When you look at your family tree it's easy to see that removing one grandparent means that you wouldn't have been born. How many grandparents are there in 1000 years? 1000 years was roughly 30 generations ago - then your number of grandparents is two to the 30th, 1,073,741,824 (you need to somehow remove duplicates).
    It is obviously true that every person living has a product of rape or incest in their lineage, if you go back far enough. That doesn't mean that there would be no population left if those pregnancies had been aborted. If a rape/incest birth was "disappeared" from the population the person who married that rape/incest product would have married someone else and produced different children. None of us would exist, but other people would exist.

    The effect of rape/incest abortion would be a small decrease in the fertility rate. As long as it stays above replacement level of 2.1 there is no difficulty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Scarpia View Post
    It is obviously true that every person living has a product of rape or incest in their lineage, if you go back far enough. That doesn't mean that there would be no population left if those pregnancies had been aborted. If a rape/incest birth was "disappeared" from the population the person who married that rape/incest product would have married someone else and produced different children. None of us would exist, but other people would exist.

    The effect of rape/incest abortion would be a small decrease in the fertility rate. As long as it stays above replacement level of 2.1 there is no difficulty.
    Yes I agree. What's interesting to me is there's only ONE single path by which I would be here today, including everyone else on the planet, going back at least to the invention of sex 800 mya. One change in the timing of any of those matings and you wouldn't be here.
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    I may, in fact, be someone who only thinks, mistakenly, that I am myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    An amusing development. In the US, people don’t really vote for president! They vote instead for a slate of “electors” in their state pledged to vote for a specific candidate. The winning slate of electors then cast their votes in the electoral college, which determines the new president.

    In the past, there have been many cases of “faithless electors” who have violated their pledges and voted for someone other than their party’s choice. Usually, the states involved have invalidated these votes and appointed new electors who would vote as promised.

    Suddenly, a federal appeals court has ruled that electors have complete freedom to vote as they wish, and the states cannot overrule or change their votes. In fact, this is how the Constitution reads.

    It’s looking like the 2020 elections may be quite entertaining!
    "Many" seems to be overstating the case.

    From Wikipedia, in the entire history of the U.S. Electoral College, there have been 179 "faithless electors" but even that number doesn't fully and accurately describe what you are talking about, as 71 of those "faithless electors" changed their votes because the particular candidate they were initially going to vote for died. So just over 100. There have been tens of thousands of electors when you add up all of them from each presidential election going back to the election of 1788. So I don't think this is really a factor. Some, though, I believe are seeing this as a way of saving them from doing the hard work of beating Trump - just persuade enough electors to be "faithless" in the event that Trump again wins in the Electoral College. I think that is a pipe dream.

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    Took this photo at the local VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars) hall. I haven't the foggiest idea what this was for.


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