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    I'm Brian and I'm almost 53 years young.

    I began piano three days ago on Monday.

    I'm self-taught and I'm using the Faber and Faber for older students series. I really like it, however, I think I should move through it quicker. (I'm beginning to work on Chopin Opus 28 No.4 - my favorite piece of all time)

    My background is playing double bass from ages 10-19 and getting into the Florida West Coast Symphony Orchestra (now the Sarasota Orchestra) under the direction of the late Paul Wolfe. So I do know how to read the bass cleff. I'm learning the treble cleff now. I can figure it out but I can't look at it yet and just call out the notes like I can on the bass cleff so there is that.

    Why am I playing the piano?
    1. I like that it's its own instrument. It doesn't need anything else.
    2. you don't have to worry about being in tune/pitch. You either hit the middle c or you don't. Playing a stringed instrument you had to make sure the c was a c.


    I quit when I was 19 because I was getting a lot of panic attacks driving at night to/from concerts and it took all the enjoyment away. That is a lot better now; however, my wife does drive me around.

    I just want to play the great classsics on piano. I'm sure I'll be able to learn a lot here.

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    oops. forgot to add that I am trying to get lessons as I don't want to learn a wrong technique, etc.
    But the teacher is looking at her schedule to see if she can get me in.

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    Welcome to the forum :-)

    In my humble opinion it is never too late to learn to play an instrument.

    I had an organ students in their 60's years ago who became a very confident church organist.

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    Your musical background will help you learn the piano faster than music beginners. I've been playing the piano for over about 35 years since I was 7, and my technique still sucks. Everyone learns differently.
    "Forgive me, Majesty. I'm a vulgar man. But I assure you, my music is not.“ Mozart

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    Well I got my first lesson this Saturday morning. I can hardly wait.

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    How are you getting on with your lessons , babygranddreamer?

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    Please can you help me with these two bars. The first is with the rolled chord and the staccato F on the bottom stave. Do I play the staccato note , on the first F of the rolled notes on the treble stave?


    Second bar is the C sharp, with the A. Are both these notes played as staccato?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poco a poco View Post
    How are you getting on with your lessons , babygranddreamer?
    I just had my eighth lesson today. I have seem to have come a crawl now. I'm not advancing as much as I used to be.

    I'm doing chords with my left hand and simple melodies with my right but they seem to take longer to come together as a whole.

    I will say I find myself in the dumps a lot more than before. It feels huge and impossible-ish. I know I have to power through so I can get to the good stuff. It's rather tedious. My hands "fight" each other etc.

    but I am practicing 20-30 min. 3 times a day. I need to break the pieces down and practice slower. My mind jumps ahead of what my hands can do and it's making me get frustrated, lock up and get tight which isn't helping anything...

    It's easy to start to dream about quitting and why didn't I take up cello instead or go study chess, which I still might do, LOL.

    I feel because of my dyslexia I'm not getting simple things like I should but I think I have to hang in there and take a deep breath and keep at it.

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    Your fingers lock up or do you mean tense up? Or is it due to some other problem.

    However, there are finger exercises you can do, practice scales two octaves and back, practice stretching to reach octaves. or you can just play anything add lib. before starting , try placing your hands in warm water for a few minutes to get them supple, there are lots of ways for finger exercise.

    I'm not sure how advanced a piano player you are, but I would have thought for a beginner, that the Chopin piece, Opus 28 No.4 is about grade 4, and maybe too challenging to start with. Only my opinion.


    What other pieces has your tutor given you to practice?
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    Here are some very good hand and finger exercises I discovered.




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    Quote Originally Posted by babygranddreamer View Post
    I just had my eighth lesson today. I have seem to have come a crawl now. I'm not advancing as much as I used to be.

    I'm doing chords with my left hand and simple melodies with my right but they seem to take longer to come together as a whole.

    I will say I find myself in the dumps a lot more than before. It feels huge and impossible-ish. I know I have to power through so I can get to the good stuff. It's rather tedious. My hands "fight" each other etc.

    but I am practicing 20-30 min. 3 times a day. I need to break the pieces down and practice slower. My mind jumps ahead of what my hands can do and it's making me get frustrated, lock up and get tight which isn't helping anything...

    It's easy to start to dream about quitting and why didn't I take up cello instead or go study chess, which I still might do, LOL.

    I feel because of my dyslexia I'm not getting simple things like I should but I think I have to hang in there and take a deep breath and keep at it.
    Czerny always used "boring" exercises so students didn't try to play too intensely. There is no fast way - lots of slow separate practice. Never mind what it should sound like, get it under your fingers. Let your hands play the piece so you don't have to think about the mechanics. Think about driving - you started by fussing about pedals, brakes, steering - now, you just drive you look round, observe, pay attention. All because you are not concentrating on the mechanics. Piano is the same thing. Learn the notes, put them together then you can add all the niceties. It will come - in time.
    Music begins where words leave off. Music expresses the inexpressible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poco a poco View Post
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    Please can you help me with these two bars. The first is with the rolled chord and the staccato F on the bottom stave. Do I play the staccato note , on the first F of the rolled notes on the treble stave?


    Second bar is the C sharp, with the A. Are both these notes played as staccato?

    Thanks.
    The answer to your second question is yes.

    As far as your first question is concerned from what I can see in that example, it looks as if either way could work. It often depends on what era/style of music you're playing. In the Classical period for example the rolled chord will generally start on the beat (so the top note is slightly after the beat, and the answer to your question in your example is 'yes'), but there's no hard and fast rule. It could also depend on how fast the music is, or maybe even how busy the end of the previous bar is.

    Hope that's not too vague, but if you generally aim to make it sound as suitable to the context/spirit of the music as possible, I don't think you'll go too far wrong.

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    Taggart's advice is wise and, I think, based upon having experienced it personally?

    Learning piano is partly about motor skills and all motor skills need to be drummed in to establish that brain-movement connection. Until, as Taggart wrote, you don't have to concentrate too intensely on the actual mechanics of playing.

    There is lots of material to develop this. Aside from the usual Czerny there are several excellent texts by Louis Kohler (you can get them for free here at IMSLP).

    Also the Joy of Classics series edited by Denes Agay has an excellent selection of original pieces which are graded to skill level. So you get playing the music right away. These are very useful I think. I have some of them and I've been playing for years, I enjoy going through them.

    It's different for everyone (ask your teacher), but from the outset don't let your left hand lag behind with static playing. Give it practice.

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    my hand tense up.
    It's just piano. I have to relax more. I get uptight easily.

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