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    Question Karajan's EMI Tristan and Isolde

    Thinking about getting this.
    What's your thoughts on this recording?
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    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

    "Life's a long song, but the tune ends too soon for us all." Ian Anderson lyric

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    I try to keep an open mind about HvK, but I'm not a huge fan. That said, I tend to enjoy his Wagner and Beethoven more than the rest of his body of work. So I do enjoy this recording quite a bit. For crying out loud, it has Vickers...arguably the best Tristan ever. How can you not have this recording, especially at the current prices? Dernesch is better than you think as Isolde--although probably wouldn't in a large opera house--and the supporting cast is first rate. Did I mention Vickers?

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    I own it, but haven't listened in a while. I recall feeling that Dernesch isn't bad, but has an odd way of making every line sound like a lament. A guy I spoke to about it at my local used-CD store agreed, saying there's "a frown in the voice," whatever they may mean.
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    There are a few recording balances it's true, but I like it. Vickers is a superb Tristan, the raw emotion he displays in Act III palpably real and Dernesch a lovely, warm, feminine Isolde.

    Frankly, I'm surprised you don't have it already.
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    I plan to get it when Warner has completely remastered all their Karajan operas. In the Wagner on disc - Tristan und Isolde thread you can find my opinion about the recording, one of my favourites in stereo, although I'd rather listen more to Barenboim or many other mono recordings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregMitchell View Post
    There are a few recording balances it's true, but I like it. Vickers is a superb Tristan, the raw emotion he displays in Act III palpably real and Dernesch a lovely, warm, feminine Isolde.

    Frankly, I'm surprised you don't have it already.
    The times I have listened to it on youtube the recording sounded really weird in places so I have been hesitant about getting it.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

    "Life's a long song, but the tune ends too soon for us all." Ian Anderson lyric

    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    Thinking about getting this.
    What's your thoughts on this recording?
    Thank you
    Karajan EMI one of the best stereo Tristan's along with Bayreuth Bohm DG, and the cast is very solid especially with Ludwig as Brangane (upstaging Isolde?).

    I think the live 52 Karajan Bayreuth is better though, with a more dramatic and impassioned Karajan, one of Modl's greatest Bayreuth performances.......the answer is to own both of course!

    Last edited by DarkAngel; Jul-28-2018 at 15:07.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    I think the live 52 Karajan Bayreuth is better though, with a more dramatic and impassioned Karajan, one of Modl's greatest Bayreuth performances.......the answer is to own both of course!
    One of the many mono TUI's I'd like to have over his studio version (well, I settle with the cheaper Walhall). If I ever heard snippets of Act I with Jon Vickers or orchestral parts, I wouldn't like it either. He blossoms in Act III with a superb solo part. It's a work to experience in a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel View Post
    Karajan EMI one of the best stereo Tristan's along with Bayreuth Bohm DG, and the cast is very solid especially with Ludwig as Brangane (upstaging Isolde?).

    I think the live 52 Karajan Bayreuth is better though, with a more dramatic and impassioned Karajan, one of Modl's greatest Bayreuth performances.......the answer is to own both of course!



    This appears to be the same performance. Which one has the best sound?
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    ^^^^^ Don't forget this one.......
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

    "Life's a long song, but the tune ends too soon for us all." Ian Anderson lyric

    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

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    I have the blue one, Membran. It sounds great to me.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

    "Life's a long song, but the tune ends too soon for us all." Ian Anderson lyric

    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregMitchell View Post


    This appears to be the same performance. Which one has the best sound?
    They are all the same performance, only one 52 Karajan Bayreuth

    All three sound really great for 52 mono live, the Orfeo in theory should sound best since they have access to Bavarian Radio original broadcast media and by far the best booklet of the three plus it just looks like a quality package.....

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    Last edited by DarkAngel; Jul-28-2018 at 18:18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    ^^^^^ Don't forget this one.......
    Oh gosh! That makes it even more complicated!
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    Orfeo - best book and packaging - high price
    Membran - ok booklet - ok packaging - medium to high price
    Walhall - hardly any notes - great price

    All in very good mono sound.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

    "Life's a long song, but the tune ends too soon for us all." Ian Anderson lyric

    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

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    ok, I give in.
    Just ordered the Karajan EMI
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

    "Life's a long song, but the tune ends too soon for us all." Ian Anderson lyric

    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet

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