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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    Ok, I can see how you look at it. I'll keep that opinion in mind when I discuss this offline. I'm just asking questions. I'm not defensive about CM, but I do get defensive about the worth of atonal music.
    The lack of worth of atonal music? I enjoy atonal music because I like the sound of a piece of music not being in a key and not having a root note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredx2098 View Post
    The lack of worth of atonal music? I enjoy atonal music because I like the sound of a piece of music not being in a key and not having a root note.
    Offline I get defensive about the worth of atonal music, because there are far fewer people offline than in here who understand the history that led to atonalism and the worth of the accomplishments with that concept by the greatest composers of the 20th Century, Arnie and Igor. Stravinsky was more polytonal as a solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredx2098 View Post
    Well I don't know for sure, but that's how it appears to me. It's just speculation. It doesn't seem like much effort was put into the song. At the very least it seems like she was making an appeal to emotion with a low effort song.
    Perhaps an oratorio or opera would have been the more effective vehicle--an appeal to the emotions, but with the time and resources to fully express in detail the abuses only hinted at in the song in question.

    [Edit] Here's the Wikipedia entry on the song. A lot of verbiage to describe a low effort song, it would seem.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Til_It_Happens_to_You
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredx2098 View Post
    The lack of worth of atonal music? I enjoy atonal music because I like the sound of a piece of music not being in a key and not having a root note.
    Lately, I'm beginning to think that as long as it's not diatonic, then I'll probably enjoy it as not being in a key; but it could have a root. It's probably more chromatic. This could include al kinds of music, Debussy, Stravinsky, jazz, all sorts.
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    duplicate post problem
    Last edited by Luchesi; Sep-08-2018 at 23:37.
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    Mozart is overused for wallpaper.

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    Mozart makes great wallpaper, with all those little overdressed people bowing and curtsying. In fact, Mozart predated Colin Kaepernick by over two centuries in taking a knee.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Mozart makes great wallpaper, with all those little overdressed people bowing and curtsying. In fact, Mozart predated Colin Kaepernick by over two centuries in taking a knee.
    I believe the first knee he took was the empress Maria Theresa's. She apparently did not say "Get this sonofab**** off my lap!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Mozart makes great wallpaper, with all those little overdressed people bowing and curtsying. In fact, Mozart predated Colin Kaepernick by over two centuries in taking a knee.
    Colin Mozart's rat catching skills required a lot of wallpapering over, hence his trade and his father's dovetailed perfectly

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Lately, I'm beginning to think that as long as it's not diatonic, then I'll probably enjoy it as not being in a key; but it could have a root. It's probably more chromatic. This could include al kinds of music, Debussy, Stravinsky, jazz, all sorts.
    That's just out and out diatonicism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eusebius12 View Post
    Colin Mozart's rat catching skills required a lot of wallpapering over, hence his trade and his father's dovetailed perfectly
    This really cannot be reposted often enough:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eusebius12 View Post
    This really cannot be reposted often enough:
    I remember trying to find those notes on the piano when I was young. The notes go down and yet the underlying chords go up. And of course the diminished sounding chord doesn't help your ear much..
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