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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    De gustibus, I guess. I hear none of this. Listening to Domingo, I hear a decent musician singing the notes more less as written - as though he's an extraordinarily gifted sightreader. I hear no drama, no passion, and as for range, I hope that you're talking about range of roles, rather than range of voice. He was a good tenor, a poor baritone, and is a dreadful conductor.



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    You hear no drama or passion in this performance?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3EkjVT_hhg

    If you can sincerely state that there's no drama or passion in that performance, I'll have to conclude that this is a real yanni or laurel thing, or a The Dress thing. To me, that's a gutting performance, with few competitors from any recording I've ever heard--maybe Martinelli is as deeply felt but not more, and is certainly less beautiful.

    edited - oops edited the youtube link--not sure why it was indexed at the middle of the drinking song.
    I didn't see many live Domingo performances, but his committment to the drama was varied. He could be generic, however I was lucky enough to catch one of his last Samsons where he gave a passionate account of the title role despite being technically past his best. He didn't always rise to the occasion, but when he did he was fantastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howlingfantods View Post
    You hear no drama or passion in this performance?
    Actually, I do - but I think that the credit goes to Verdi. I've never heard *any* performance of the Otello-Desdemona duet that didn't sound passionate.

    As for "Esultate!", he sounds like a man passing a kidney stone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Conte View Post
    I didn't see many live Domingo performances, but his committment to the drama was varied. He could be generic, however I was lucky enough to catch one of his last Samsons where he gave a passionate account of the title role despite being technically past his best. He didn't always rise to the occasion, but when he did he was fantastic.
    I agree, it's not an all or nothing propostion when it comes to Domingo and the level of dramatic insight he imparts in a role. But when it comes to Wagner, I'll agree with wkaismer that in the recordings I've heard of him he sounds a little odd, dispassionate and doesn't convey any real sense that the words he's singing mean something to him. Not one of my favorite Wagnerian tenors, but far from bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    Actually, I do - but I think that the credit goes to Verdi. I've never heard *any* performance of the Otello-Desdemona duet that didn't sound passionate.

    As for "Esultate!", he sounds like a man passing a kidney stone.
    I guess I would suggest continuing to listen to the rest of the performance, not just the Act 1. And I think many tenors who can sing the role well often sound like they're straining in the Esultate--you'd have to throw out half the classic accounts if that was disqualifying.

    Perhaps you just don't like his voice? I certainly have some voice allergies (Varnay, Pavarotti to some degree), so I can relate in the general although not in the specific to this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howlingfantods View Post
    I guess I would suggest continuing to listen to the rest of the performance, not just the Act 1.
    Been there. This is the live Scala with Carlos Kleiber, isn't it? I own it, and have listened to it several times, mostly for Kleiber.

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    I love the Lohengrin he did with Solti and Jessye Norman

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    Been there. This is the live Scala with Carlos Kleiber, isn't it? I own it, and have listened to it several times, mostly for Kleiber.
    Royal Opera House, also with Kleiber several years later than the live La Scala. This is the one with Margaret Price and Silvano Carroli.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howlingfantods View Post
    Royal Opera House, also with Kleiber several years later than the live La Scala. This is the one with Margaret Price and Silvano Carroli.
    I've heard that entire performance, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    De gustibus, I guess. I hear none of this. Listening to Domingo, I hear a decent musician singing the notes more less as written - as though he's an extraordinarily gifted sightreader. I hear no drama, no passion, and as for range, I hope that you're talking about range of roles, rather than range of voice. He was a good tenor, a poor baritone, and is a dreadful conductor.



    Yeah, right....
    You are obviously hearing a different tenor from me then. I have the live Trovatore conducted by Karajan and the acting is pretty decent, the voice dramatic and the range fine. I also had the Caveradossi he made with Levine many years ago - one of the best ever I would think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    Actually, I do - but I think that the credit goes to Verdi. I've never heard *any* performance of the Otello-Desdemona duet that didn't sound passionate.

    As for "Esultate!", he sounds like a man passing a kidney stone.
    Well most tenors do!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    You are obviously hearing a different tenor from me then.
    Nope. Just different ears and different priorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkasimer View Post
    I've heard that entire performance, too.
    Well, I'm at a loss. I think that's a thrilling and dramatic performance of the title role--I can't think of many I've heard more dramatic and suffused with feeling.

    I can understand you saying you simply don't like it--perhaps you prefer more baritonal tenors in the role, or more traditional tenore di forzas or just don't like Domingo's voice or what have you. But I don't understand characterizing it as undramatic or unpassionate--those are descriptive words not qualitative ones, and I can't understand hearing this performance and describing it as such.


    I see the Dress as gold and I hear the sound clip as Yanny. Perhaps you're a Blue Dress and Laurel person.

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