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    Ironic since I gather Nesmith grew to hate that hat and the O'l Woolhat nickname that went with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Ante View Post
    Yeh Hendrix comes over as bitter or jealous, no matter they were good entertainers.
    Haaaa haaaa haaaa! Jealous of the Monkees? The Monkees were pablum extruded by a cynical corporate machine. Did they even record their own records? I doubt it.

    No, Jimi was just sincerely bemused by the phenomenon.

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    RIP - Peter Tork - February 21, 2019

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    Last edited by Mollie John; Feb-22-2019 at 13:31.

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    When I was still in middle school we were listening to The Monkees, because the TV show was good, and we were interested in keeping on top of pop music.
    This was the age of AM radio, where you kept track of the top 40 every week, on little flyers printed out by radio stations, available on the counter top of the local record shop. It was a very exciting era. Most of us didn't have good stereos, so we listened to a lot of radio.
    The Monkees had some good records: Last Train to Clarksville, I'm a Believer, I'm Not Your Stepping Stone, She, (Theme from) The Monkees, Mary, Mary, Look Out (Here Comes Tomorrow), Sometime In The Morning....written by good writers such as Gerry Goffin-Carol King, Tommy Boyce/Bobby Hart, Neil Diamond...it was good pop music.

    A salute to Peter Tork, and to pop music. Here is a song that he sang, that I will always associate with him: Auntie Grizelda.

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    I read somewhere yesterday that Stephen Stills was someone who "encouraged" Peter Tork to join The Monkees, but no details...

    It's obvious that one had to be a certain age at a certain time to "dig" this band and I was one of them at first. In the plains of the 1960s most of our music came from AM Radio and the 3 eyes on television, Ed Sullivan, etc... it was all mixed up from Everley Bros to Supremes to Johnny Cash with a lot of one hit pop wonders. In a way the Monkees were America's own Beatles and seemed more accessible in that sense, which is another way of saying we were spoonfed with identity-oriented publicity stuff.

    in HS I discovered the local uni station which was very weak at first but had programming that mixed "college rock" - Moody Blues, Led Zepp, Airplane, Dead - with classical and other genres as it there were no difference and - no commercials or chitchat. I would tape some of these on one of those little portable cassette recorders. In another year I was a confirmed consumer of vinyl and a regular at the record store. Now you see what I am... a man obsessed...all because of The Monkees and their ilk... still wondering if there is anything new I really need to hear, and the answer is still yes, it's just not so obvious what it is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by philoctetes View Post

    in HS I discovered the local uni station which was very weak at first but had programming that mixed "college rock" - Moody Blues, Led Zepp, Airplane, Dead - with classical and other genres as it there were no difference and - no commercials or chitchat. I would tape some of these on one of those little portable cassette recorders. In another year I was a confirmed consumer of vinyl and a regular at the record store. Now you see what I am... a man obsessed...all because of The Monkees and their ilk... still wondering if there is anything new I really need to hear, and the answer is still yes, it's just not so obvious what it is...

    We called it Panorama. It ran from 10am until 2pm, Monday - Friday! Music was at the DJ's discretion and could be a mix of classical, jazz, rock, blues, etc. It was the most difficult show to program for, usually taking hours of preplanning. Even 45 years later I remember one of my sets. The day before I had noticed during the nightly TV news that the next day was going to be rainy and overcast. So my set list that day went something like:

    Handel - Water Music
    Wooden Ships - CSN
    I Am The Mercury - Jimmie Spheeris
    Let It Rain - Eric Clapton
    High Water Everywhere - Charley Patton
    Jeux d'eau - Ravel
    Rain - Beatles
    Le Mer - Debussy
    Have You Ever Seen The Rain - CCR
    When The Levee Breaks - Zep

    Re: Tork and Stills - knew each other from the NYC folk scene circa 1964. Later out in California, Stills saw the ad in Variety for tryouts for a new TV show. He tried out but failed the audition (because of his bad teeth) and when producers asked him if he knew anyone else who might be good for the part, Stills mentioned his friend Tork. What a stroke of luck that Stills wasn't selected!!!! BS was just around the corner.
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    Though I'll admit I usually keep it hidden, I do have a Monkees album in my collection.

    I dug it out this week upon hearing the news of Peter Tork's death, and listened to several tracks.

    I don't think I'll put that album back in hiding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SONNET CLV View Post
    Though I'll admit I usually keep it hidden, I do have a Monkees album in my collection.

    I dug it out this week upon hearing the news of Peter Tork's death, and listened to several tracks.

    I don't think I'll put that album back in hiding.
    Is this what this Forum has now come to???...Is this the best we can now do with respect for four geniuses???...Is this where we are??? Really???

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    Quote Originally Posted by SONNET CLV View Post
    Though I'll admit I usually keep it hidden, I do have a Monkees album in my collection.

    I dug it out this week upon hearing the news of Peter Tork's death, and listened to several tracks.

    I don't think I'll put that album back in hiding.
    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Is this what this Forum has now come to???...Is this the best we can now do with respect for four geniuses???...Is this where we are??? Really???
    I fail to see connection between millionrainbows most perceptively designed questions (brilliant questions, really!) and the text of my Monkees post.

    I will add … as a participant in the theatre, I have great respect for talented actors, musicians, song writers, and even appreciation for zany situation comedy writing, all of which are on display with the Monkees. [The term "genius" is one worth some debate, perhaps, especially in this context.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Is this what this Forum has now come to???...Is this the best we can now do with respect for four geniuses???...Is this where we are??? Really???
    I think we should all go along with Tork's own assessment of the Monkees as being "one of the greatest garage bands ever." Of course, a garage band with a TV network and some of the better songwriters of the 60's behind them. All of our garage bands should have been so lucky.

    Having said that, I would also like to point out that there are a number of folks in the R&R HOF who do not have the musical skills, nor made the same impact that Mike Nesmith has. Perhaps that says more about the HOF than it does about Nesmith. While clearly the boys as a group do not deserve to be in the HOF (exception Nesmith), it is impossible to remove the band's cultural and historical impact in the 60's.

    One of America's "gifts" to the world is in taking a concept and b@stardizing and commercializing it for the purposes of making money. That Tork, feeling guilty for his ill gotten fame and fortune, gave away almost all his Monkee money in the 70's speaks well of that soul.
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    All the criticism leveled against The Monkees regarding their "corporate" creation and not playing on their recordings and all the other nonsense written about them along these lines cracks me up. In my enjoyment of their music I couldn’t care less about those things. All rock music is corporate…it’s commercial music. It amazes me how seriously people take rock music...the notion that it is art is baloney.

    Good pop/rock music is fun and much of the music released under the Monkees name was good and sometimes great pop/rock music.

    Dolenz, Jones and Nesmith were good vocalists (especially Dolenz) and Nesmith wrote some great songs by any measure...like this one:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz Kobus View Post
    Fascinating information.
    I agree, great topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerx View Post
    I agree, great topic.
    to RogerX for bringing this to everyone's attention - I really like the title and the concept but with all respect to fellow Canadian Sydney Nova Scotia whose work ethic you have to admire if nothing else I feel that it is somewhat top heavy on text and far too light on graphics for a thread of this nature.

    With the focus of these "Turn It Up!" threads apparently being on "Top 40" singles and their text-heavy back story an opportunity was missed to showcase the really great 45 rpm original picture sleeves that were used for these releases.

    Also the exclusive focus on hit singles (in all of these "Turn It Up!" threads not just this one) overlooks some of the most significant releases by the artists featured which were album only. The thread on the Small Faces in particular was an opportunity missed as posting "Ogden's Nut Gone Flake" in its entirety would have been a much better editorial call to make due to its cultural importance rather than highlighting a random assortment of singles that charted in the mid to high end of the Top 100 UK Singles charts. But to each his own, eh? - Cool concept...



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    The Monkees have some great album covers!
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