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    If I should speculate, Jesus would not be interested in any kind of music and would have perceived it as escapism and empty rituals. Of course we know nothing of the real Jesus, but I know of no important religious figure (that I consider as having anything of interest to say) that would be interested in music

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacck View Post
    If I should speculate, Jesus would not be interested in any kind of music and would have perceived it as escapism and empty rituals. Of course we know nothing of the real Jesus, but I know of no important religious figure (that I consider as having anything of interest to say) that would be interested in music
    Of course, as a Jew, Jesus would have been steeped in Jewish music through the synagogues and Jewish festivals. The Jewish psalms cover all areas of emotion and deal with orientation, disorientation, and surprising reorientation (per Walter Bruggemann); in other words, the total human experience. And as a human, Jesus would have encountered all this, so the Hebrew songs would have meant something to him. Before taking his disciples to Gesthemane, they sang a hymn (from the standard Passover hymns). The words on the cross "Why have you forsaken me" are from the psalms. So the historic Jesus would have found a great use for music in expressing his inner feelings.

    "We know nothing of the real Jesus." I'm not sure that's the case. Richard Bauckham's recent book Jesus and the Eyewitnesses makes a compelling case for the gospels, particularly Mark, containing eyewitness accounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manxfeeder View Post
    Of course, as a Jew, Jesus would have been steeped in Jewish music through the synagogues and Jewish festivals. The Jewish psalms cover all areas of emotion and deal with orientation, disorientation, and surprising reorientation (per Walter Bruggemann); in other words, the total human experience. And as a human, Jesus would have encountered all this, so the Hebrew songs would have meant something to him. Before taking his disciples to Gesthemane, they sang a hymn (from the standard Passover hymns). The words on the cross "Why have you forsaken me" are from the psalms. So the historic Jesus would have found a great use for music in expressing his inner feelings.

    "We know nothing of the real Jesus." I'm not sure that's the case. Richard Bauckham's recent book Jesus and the Eyewitnesses makes a compelling case for the gospels, particularly Mark, containing eyewitness accounts.
    Jesus fought against all old rituals and threw the Jews with their circus and hypocrisy out of a synagogue. Jesus has almost nothing in common with the Old Testament (and hence the psalms), he rebelled against it. I am almost certain he would have hated what has become out of Christianity in the centuries after his death. The last time I visited a Christian mass was last autumn. They played music and organ and performed all those rituals in their catholic dresses. It striked me as a big theatre. Even the organ is an instrument designed to humble and impress the believers. I am convinced that the real Jesus would have rebelled against all of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacck View Post
    Jesus fought against all old rituals and threw the Jews with their circus and hypocrisy out of a synagogue. Jesus has almost nothing in common with the Old Testament (and hence the psalms), he rebelled against it. I am almost certain he would have hated what has become out of Christianity in the centuries after his death . . .I am convinced that the real Jesus would have rebelled against all of this.
    I'm afraid of topic drift, but just as a brief response, Jesus saw himself and the fulfilling of God's plan in the scriptures, so he did not do away with the scriptures and even saw himself in them, including the psalms. The concepts of loving God with all your heart and loving your neighbor as yourself come out of the Pentateuch. But I do agree with you that he was against any form of religion which becomes self-serving and merely ritualistic.

    But as Igor Stravinsky said, One hopes to worship God with a little art if one has any, and if one hasn't and cannot recognize it in others, then one can at least burn a little incense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacck View Post
    Jesus fought against all old rituals and threw the Jews with their circus and hypocrisy out of a synagogue. Jesus has almost nothing in common with the Old Testament (and hence the psalms), he rebelled against it. I am almost certain he would have hated what has become out of Christianity in the centuries after his death. The last time I visited a Christian mass was last autumn. They played music and organ and performed all those rituals in their catholic dresses. It striked me as a big theatre. Even the organ is an instrument designed to humble and impress the believers. I am convinced that the real Jesus would have rebelled against all of this.
    I think you are in danger of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Certainly Jesus threw out the man-made aspects of the religion of his time but he did fulfil the law of God. This is shown in his quotes from the Old Testament including the Psalms. There is a theory that the Hebrew lettering provides a clue to the tunes they would have been sung to. I have a copy of the Song of Songs which is sung according to this theory. We know Jesus 'sang a Psalm' with his disciples so he would have been well acquainted with the music in the synagogue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidA View Post
    I think you are in danger of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Certainly Jesus threw out the man-made aspects of the religion of his time but he did fulfil the law of God. This is shown in his quotes from the Old Testament including the Psalms. There is a theory that the Hebrew lettering provides a clue to the tunes they would have been sung to. I have a copy of the Song of Songs which is sung according to this theory. We know Jesus 'sang a Psalm' with his disciples so he would have been well acquainted with the music in the synagogue.
    I am not really a Bible scholar. For me personally, the best part of the whole Bible is Ecclesiastes (believed to have been written by Solomon). I value it more than the New Testament. The second best part is the Letter to the Romans, where Paul explains the basis of Christianity to the Romans. I have studied many mystics over the course of some 20 years - from buddhism, over sufism, to christian mysticism. And I believe that Jesus was a mystic not that different from Buddha and others, and some of his parables in the Gospels seem to confirm this to me, such as "I am in the Father and the Father is in me" (but it is possible confirmation bias). The Kingdom of Heaven is just a metaphor of the state of enlightenment. The Church and Religion and rituals and priests are results of a cult, that has been built upon Jesus after his death and that Jesus himself never sanctioned. But those are just my views. I believe that Meister Eckhart had the same kind of enlightenment that Jesus had
    https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Mys.../dp/1101981563
    (not to confuse with Eckhart Tolle who is a fraud in my opinion)

    But I am diverting from the discussion of the music Jesus would have enjoyed. I believe he was a common man, who found enlightment and through it became the son of the father. And as a common man he would have probably enjoyed the music if his time. And we have no account of the music of that time.

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    Some speak as though Jesus (dead) only knows music of his time . Even I know music as an art of time-travel ... death has little to do with it .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingélou View Post
    It's impossible to know what the man Jesus would like - there'd be a limited choice open, one presumes.

    If I am thinking of Him as divine - I can't see that He'd dislike any music. He'd 'get the point' of it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacck View Post
    If I should speculate, Jesus would not be interested in any kind of music and would have perceived it as escapism and empty rituals. Of course we know nothing of the real Jesus, but I know of no important religious figure (that I consider as having anything of interest to say) that would be interested in music
    Come on, Jesus went to a wedding and turned water to wine so he was not against people celebrating! Probably with music and dancing as well as was the custom. He told a parable about a wayward son coming home and when his elder brother came in 'he heard the sound of music and dancing.' The older son gets told off by his father because he won't join in the celebration.

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    Of course Byzantine Chant is the music he chooses to listen to in church...



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    When the Bride of Christ sings too endearingly , Jesus blushes .

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    Christian Rap ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aleazk View Post
    Christian Rap ?
    Since he loves his creation and his creatures, I'm sure he has a fondness for his followers expressing themselves sincerely to him, even in the rap genre. And I trust that his mercy extends to me if I don't share equally in his love for it.
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