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    Question What's music's role in this global economic downturn?

    Dear members, first of all, do you feel an economic downturn around you?

    Secondly, if you say yes, then how do you feel about it?

    Thirdly, what role could music play in good time and bad time of your life time?

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    There are some ongoing recordings of complete works which may not be realized if sales are not expected to sustain them. Therefore, music's role is that of scarce availability. However, this is not a new phenomenon is it?

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    Sure, one can feel the economic downturn here in San Diego. But we are hardly unique down here, are we? I'm sure every single person in this forum has either seen it in their community or perhaps some of us have been touched personally by it.

    What is music's role? It's a spirit lifter, to be sure! I need music all the time anyway, but in dark times, I guess I need it even more.
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    The darkest times in the US economy, namely The Depression of the 1930's, saw a boom in the movie industry. People needed to escape their grim realty.

    Maybe something like this will happen with entertainment these days as well, though a part of me doubts it will impact classical music as much as other forms of entertainment.

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    In Georgia, the economy is in really bad shape. I don't even think we've seen the "bottom" of all this yet. All we can do is just go day-by-day and hope things get better. That's all we can do.

    What is music's role in the economic downturn? The same as was when things were going good: it's an escape for people. When you put on say Bartok or Dvorak the last thing on most people's mind is their financial situations at this point. It takes their minds off of everything and allows people to enjoy themselves for a change. There will always be people who listen for enjoyment as we all should, but there are people, like us, who listen very carefully and it becomes much more than a mere escape. It becomes apart of us, but what's important is it takes people away from their lives and it gets people to not think about the economy so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston View Post
    Maybe something like this will happen with entertainment these days as well, though a part of me doubts it will impact classical music as much as other forms of entertainment.
    Soap operas are booming.

    I think art is escapism that through metaphor shows us what we want out of life.

    It is basically a prober, provoker and askers of values-related questions.

    Ancient Airs and Dances asks me: ancient Roman virtue, or maybe another plastic cheeseburger with a side order of World of Warcraft, if we can invade Venezuela and take over their web servers?
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    Escapism is a trap. Music is more of an enhancement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vavaving View Post
    There are some ongoing recordings of complete works which may not be realized if sales are not expected to sustain them. Therefore, music's role is that of scarce availability. However, this is not a new phenomenon is it?
    Scarce availability? More music is now available than has ever been available in the whole history of mankind. There's more music to hear than anyone could possibly listen to even through several lifetimes probably.

    And anyway music and art in general will surely exist whatever economic system is used and whatever the state of that system. Only the form in which it takes could change. I doubt the main function of art changes according to economics, it is still there to entertain, stimulate, challenge and express what people think and feel. It helps makes order and sense of the world around them and their place in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starry View Post
    Scarce availability? More music is now available than has ever been available in the whole history of mankind. There's more music to hear than anyone could possibly listen to even through several lifetimes probably.
    That may be the big picture from space, but I have noticed a real slow down in the production of sets and series. Anyway, classical recordings go out of print all the time, which qualifies as scarce availability. There may be a lot of recorded media out there but how much of it is original and available? Not that much of what I seek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vavaving View Post
    That may be the big picture from space, but I have noticed a real slow down in the production of sets and series. Anyway, classical recordings go out of print all the time, which qualifies as scarce availability. There may be a lot of recorded media out there but how much of it is original and available? Not that much of what I seek.
    You think classical goes out-of-print quickly try looking for some hard to find jazz recordings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirror Image View Post
    You think classical goes out-of-print quickly try looking for some hard to find jazz recordings.
    Jazz luckily has some awesome bootleg repeater labels in, say, Italy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservationist View Post
    Jazz luckily has some awesome bootleg repeater labels in, say, Italy.
    I'm sure they do. The Europeans love jazz music.

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    The downturn in classical music began long before the current crisis. When I started buying classical records,some 40 plus years ago,the music review magazines were full of pictures showing singers and orchestras recording some great opera or choral work,and later,sitting in the control room,towels around their necks,in rapt attention. Much money was spent on such productions,and the reccrd companies spent hours and hours trying to get everything just so to pander to the artistes whims. Read John Culshaw 'Ring Resounding' or 'Putting the Record Straight' to see what I mean.
    These days such things no longer exist,and the magic has gone out of producing. Live recordings,compiled from different performances are now the norm,but are'nt the audiences silent! Are they told to be quiet,or do the engineers use highly directional microphones?
    As regards the effect which good music can have in times of hardship and stress. I get much relief from great music,and its healing qualities have helped me during some of the worst times of my life. But too much is as much as too little,and our modern world is crammed full of noise,some of which is termed 'music'. During the 2nd world war,many folks who had no exposure to serious music were introduced to it by conductors such as Sargent,Weldon,Wood,etc,and discovered its healing powers. After the war,when the lp record was released,these same people became users,and many embraced the new hi-fi ranges of equipment. Hence the boom in matters audio,which is now sadly a memory as more people use the lo-fi I-Pod and other portable media. I wander from the original point.
    Good music,be it classical,jazz,rock,MOR,can touch the soul and uplift and comfort,and this will always be the case no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservationist View Post
    Jazz luckily has some awesome bootleg repeater labels in, say, Italy.
    Exactly, people will find ways to make things available (whatever someone's attempt to control the distribution of something). You can't unrecord a recording or unmake a record. There's alot of popular music totally unavailable on cd which I've been able to hear on the internet for example. Of course classical music does have a smaller audience but still some people do digitize come of their collection, they might make recordings of rare pieces off the radio etc. It's not just companies making things available now in this democratized and globalized world of the internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongoose View Post
    The downturn in classical music began long before the current crisis.

    As regards the effect which good music can have in times of hardship and stress. I get much relief from great music,and its healing qualities have helped me during some of the worst times of my life.
    Of course music and art in general can help an individual's circumstances, connect them to their inner selves and humanity in times in which they feel uninvolved or apart (this may not be to do with economics but all kinds of other factors as well).

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    Quote Originally Posted by starry View Post
    Exactly, people will find ways to make things available (whatever someone's attempt to control the distribution of something). You can't unrecord a recording or unmake a record. There's alot of popular music totally unavailable on cd which I've been able to hear on the internet for example.
    And this is also the core of the MP3 issue: if it can be pressed and played, it's going to be copied. Personally, I think allegiance to art is more important than legal rights, in many cases. We owe it to the artist to get the music out. If we do that successfully, they will be able to capitalize on it more later -- as will the original label, if they think for a moment.

    Of course classical music does have a smaller audience but still some people do digitize come of their collection, they might make recordings of rare pieces off the radio etc. It's not just companies making things available now in this democratized and globalized world of the internet
    I wonder if classical music really does have a smaller audience. I think it's more a matter of fewer CDs sold because fewer classical works exist, and those that the normal person will enjoy are relatively few, but it seems to me they sell quite well. It may not compete with rock, pop and hip-hop in raw sales but in number of people it may well do so.

    Of course music and art in general can help an individual's circumstances, connect them to their inner selves and humanity in times in which they feel uninvolved or apart (this may not be to do with economics but all kinds of other factors as well).
    Music can bring us to realize what we actually want. It can make us contemplate, relish an idea or discard another, or just want more adventure. All are good things.
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