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    Hi All

    I started composing only in July, and it was kind of an accident. I've played in orchestras a very long time, and I've done arrangements for string orchestra for a few years (Russian / Soviet masters, Ravel, Debussy, and British light orchestral).

    I like music that's catchy, tuneful, and that typically means simple themes. Something you'd walk out of the concert whistling to.

    I'm old enough not to really care what other people think, which is why I suggest pull no punches I'm pretty happy mostly with my stuff and find it enjoyable to listen to, even if it's all reminiscent of who knows what.

    here it is warts and all.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...C7mledkZdft6SA

    Appreciate any feedback, esp on the suite 2nd and final movts, and the "Russian Waltz". I'm not Russian
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    You have a natural gift of melody. The one that I like best is Trampoline Waltz. I'm not Russian, but that waltz sounded very Russian to me based on what I hear from Russian composers. There are some places where I thought the counterpoint was off when I sampled through, but thought the themes were well done
    "Forgive me, Majesty. I'm a vulgar man. But I assure you, my music is not.“ Mozart

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    thanks! Yes I know what you mean about the counterpoint. It's like 2 melodies playing chicken when they arrive at a point and they are like a note apart, which one should give way to the other... I need to put a bit more work in I think on that one. I didn't start out with an intention to make a Russian waltz it just turned out sounding a bit Russian. The Russian title tickles my small mind.

    Thanks for spending the time to listen and for your kind feedback.
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    I listened to the Prelude for Clarinet and Orchestra and I enjoyed that a lot. It reminds me of someone/something but I can't put my finger on it. It's definitely very romantic sounding which I like. I want it to keep going like a full clarinet concerto. After what you have so far, my mind wants it to go into a clarinet solo. I'll check out some more eventually. I listened to the Trampoline Waltz per Phil's suggestion, but personally I don't like it very much. I definitely don't gravitate towards tuneful for the most part so it makes sense. Overall it sounds like you're doing a good job and doing what you want to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredx2098 View Post
    I listened to the Prelude for Clarinet and Orchestra and I enjoyed that a lot. It reminds me of someone/something but I can't put my finger on it.
    yes I wonder... lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Fredx2098 View Post
    It's definitely very romantic sounding which I like. I want it to keep going like a full clarinet concerto. After what you have so far, my mind wants it to go into a clarinet solo. I'll check out some more eventually. I listened to the Trampoline Waltz per Phil's suggestion, but personally I don't like it very much. I definitely don't gravitate towards tuneful for the most part so it makes sense. Overall it sounds like you're doing a good job and doing what you want to do.
    Thanks for listening and for your comments. Of all my pieces I personally like the trampoline waltz the least. Just on a measure of which I end up listening to the most, the first one would be the Russian Waltz, then the Clarinet thing, the Suite and the Overture get about equal playings.

    I'd love to do more with the clarinet piece, but a whole concerto is a lot of work, and I'd need a bunch more ideas And all the while trying not to just replicate the Mozart (oops I said it).

    If you listen to the Russian Waltz, the structure is pretty standard AABBAA, but the 4th A is quite a bit of a modulation on the rythm and actually has about 3 distinct concurrent themes going through it. The reason I'm saying this is because I think (from watchtime reports on youtube) a lot of people don't listen to the final section, and it's probably the most interesting one, so if you're going to skip through, then I'd check that one out. Just picture the ICBMs on trucks rolling through Red Square.
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    I'd echo what others saod in regards to melody, definitely seem to have some success with that.

    The pieces seem to lack a certain fullness however. Might be due to You being new with orchestration, however.
    The score is fairly well put together for a new composer as well.

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    Thanks for listening and for your comments.

    I think there are some fullness issues related to the rendering and sample libraries / compression etc. Also Youtube makes quite a mess dynamically to music with their compression. The MP3s I export sound a lot better.

    until I convince a musical director to programme one of my pieces I won't really know... or pay an orchestra to play them (can hire shared sessions with Bulgarian National Radio Orchestra which looks very interesting and very reasonable prices).

    If you have the time / inclination I'd be keen to know which parts of which piece(s) you felt were a bit thin but totally understand time is precious and wannabe composers are legion

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    Really enjoyed these. I kept thinking they would work really well as film sound tracks, although I imagine it's a very difficult area to break into.

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    Thanks! I'm glad you liked them!

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    I do know some people involved in film sound-tracks. By all accounts it's fairly difficult, and relatively low-paid almost thankless work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredx2098 View Post
    I listened to the Prelude for Clarinet and Orchestra and I enjoyed that a lot. It reminds me of someone/something but I can't put my finger on it. It's definitely very romantic sounding which I like. I want it to keep going like a full clarinet concerto. After what you have so far, my mind wants it to go into a clarinet solo. I'll check out some more eventually. I listened to the Trampoline Waltz per Phil's suggestion, but personally I don't like it very much. I definitely don't gravitate towards tuneful for the most part so it makes sense. Overall it sounds like you're doing a good job and doing what you want to do.
    I wrote another short piece for clarinet and orchestra which I thought could become with the prelude a basis for a concerto or something. But I'm not sure the styles are compatible.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj7H...dft6SA&index=8

    Maybe I'd be better off making it a suite with the Russian Waltz or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrien View Post
    I wrote another short piece for clarinet and orchestra which I thought could become with the prelude a basis for a concerto or something. But I'm not sure the styles are compatible.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj7H...dft6SA&index=8

    Maybe I'd be better off making it a suite with the Russian Waltz or something?
    That's lovely! I could definitely hear that in a film. I'll have to listen more when I have time to see what goes together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredx2098 View Post
    That's lovely! I could definitely hear that in a film. I'll have to listen more when I have time to see what goes together.
    Thanks! It's currently grown an appendage (next movt) on the end... sounds like a Russian Rossini... Rossinski. Fun.

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    here's that piece with the new appendage I mentioned. I drew inspiration eventually from the Spanish Civil War, where you could find the Italians, Germans, Russians and Spanish (and others) all in one place bombing each other trying out their newest military toys. Appalling chapter of history. Anyway, the piece starts with the Pavane (which has been cleaned up and finessed a bit) then moves onto the very boisterous scherzo.

    Any kind of criticism or comments welcome

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jsx...A&t=0s&index=9

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    sorry, need to post an update to the link in that last message, if I could edit it I would.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woaS...C7mledkZdft6SA

    Fixed a number of problems. Shame you can't replace vid content on youtube.

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