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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredx2098 View Post
    Do you think I should hold off posting until I'm more confident? I enjoy the feedback, but I don't want to be obnoxious.
    Not really. I'm just telling it would be much better for your own good to take private composition lessons at least. You will advance much faster, you will get a more integral view, etc. Rather than composing, you should put a good effort now in finding an actual teacher. It's really essential. In any discipline. For example, in my field, physics, I have to do a lot of self-learning. But it's about the fun stuff, not the elementary knowledge, for that I did my university courses and so I did that quickly and smoothly, didn't waste time self-learning that and reinventing the wheel. Whenever one starts a new activity, particularly an intellectual one and if one is of normal capacity, it's much better to learn the basics from a teacher or a course. They will teach you all the basic tricks, so you don't have to waste time rediscovering them and, thanks to this, can pass to the really cool and exciting stuff in just a few years of study. Once there, you can be by your own if you want, since you will have the basic tools and experience to handle that, and, also, advanced new stuff is less rigid and one can take more idiosyncratic views, your own take on it, and maybe your own style and ideas start from that. But for the basics, better to do it right, quickly and by the book, with a teacher, of course.

    The other considerations were more generic, for anyone posting here, not specially targeted at you, maybe I should have posted them in a separate post.

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    Thanks, I've been trying to start with a composition teacher near me, but it's a process of course and I haven't been feeling well enough as usual. I definitely agree that it's important to have a teacher. Though I have learned a bit about the "fundamentals of musical composition" from herr Schoenberg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkenfield View Post
    Music may have been inspired by the gods, but I think someone like Bach or Telemann had the mechanics of composition down pat and could break the rules just as imaginatively and innovatively as their inspiration required … They wrote with an efficiency that is mostly unheard of today, except perhaps for those connected with the movie industry. For today, I think composers require their music to be good enough to be played by live musicians and not just heard as midi files. There has to be something in the music that acquires attention from others, and if someone tries to write, for instance, a sonata or symphony in the style of Beethoven, to remember that they’re actually competing with Beethoven... How is a civilian supposed to sort through it all may be mostly up to luck, or find a way to be written about. So a composer not only has to be good, but he has to be lucky, or exceedingly talented and determined. I don’t think a prolific composer tries to be prolific; I think they write what’s there for them to write that day and it mounts up naturally over time. But I also think that the more one writes, the better chance one has to find his or her own voice.
    Improvising for me is important therapy. I'm not finding my voice, because I expect I wouldn't like it. I want to hold music at a distance, because for me it remains a mysterious clutter. I haven't sorted out how it works. Note constellations with directionality and with the mysterious power of proximity. What is going on? I think I should just leave it like that. Just flow with it, for me.

    Following M83 down there to our stopping place, the Shapley Supercluster, is the opposite of music, so I have a full, brimful, outlook. I wonder what the greats would have thought along with that perspective? Boston to NYC and back again every second, all of our lives. That's our motion!

    Lark, are you improvising?
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    Franz Liszt: "Mournful and yet grand is the destiny of the artist."

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    I don't know. I have a great deal of difficulty composing smaller scale works, so most end up being massive song cycles, or symphonies, or concerti, etc.

    I've found that when I'm inspired, I can complete large scale works in a matter of months. I think it depends on whether the composer is adept at translating their ideas onto paper. Someone whose music theory and writing skill is not as polished, they take longer to write out ideas, I think, since they have to fumble around more.

    At the rate I'm going, I'll end up having 10 symphonies by 30!

    But regardless, I don't think being prolific is bad, so long as the quality of output is good.

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