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    I rip my CDs onto a hard disk. I have thousands of them stored that way. At home, I run my computer through my stereo. I have a CD/DVD player but that's strictly for DVDs. I also have all my music files stored on a cloud so in case my computer disk goes bad, I still have an incorruptible stash. That's the way to go these days.
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    Yep! I rip my DVDs too. Blu-rays are too big, but I'm sure that will change eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Rock View Post
    I'm doing most of my listening on an old Sony CD player/amplifier with old Denon speakers (the Denon CD player and Sony speakers are gone) and an LG DVD player attached for MP3 files burnt on DVD's. In recent months, the Sony CD player has started to give problems. When loading a new CD, I have to reload 3-10 times before it finally recognizes it instead of displaying "no disc". It does this with old and new CD's, factory made or self-burnt. I think its laser is reaching its end, but I might try the cleaning trick.
    Well, I got a cleaning disk today, and after one go, there seems to be a marked improvement. The No Disc sign has come up only once in playing five CD's since the cleaning.
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    I certainly don't want to contradict any of the advice given so far; but in the last year I've haunted thrift stores and charity shops and acquired various brands of older CD and DVD/CD players, never spending more than seven or eight dollars for a unit. Before buying I found an electrical outlet and tested out the functions, trusting the signal would work when sent through amplifier and speakers. I've only had a couple duds, fortunately; but since their combined cost was under ten dollars I count myself ahead. I've stopped seriously collecting at about a dozen players-- they became difficult to hide from my wife-- but the combined cost was still less than a current basic CD player, and in every case the sound was crystal clear (at least to these aged ears). The only downside is that the remote control is usually missing and there is really no satisfactory substitute. (When the original remote is present it suggests a well cared for machine). Anyway, I'm suggesting an older used player can be an acceptable cheap stopgap until a satisfactory new machine is found.

    Brands I've acquired include Fisher, Sony, Magnavox, RCA, and JVC; a couple 5-disc carousel players, and even a dedicated MP3 player which fortunately accepts CDs.

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    Last week I put out a 5-CD changer along with its remote, on top of the garbage can with a paper that said, "Works." Somebody took it and I assume is happy enough.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    Last week I put out a 5-CD changer along with its remote, on top of the garbage can with a paper that said, "Works." Somebody took it and I assume is happy enough.
    I gave one to my local Y.

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    Since last October my CD player has been working. But in the past couple of weeks I can hear some noise coming from the mechanism inside as it starts, finds a track and finishes. Last night the CD player stopped working. I have connected my DVD player to the auxiliary input. That worked, and sounds fine. This morning the CD player works again. But let's be honest, I think the CD player is on its last legs. It's had a good run, over 24 years and thousands of disks.

    I have an all in one JVC with CD player, radio and dual cassette player with speakers. There is an auxiliary input I currently use for Spotify

    What I'm thinking of doing is buying a dedicated CD player and using the existing amp and speakers on the JVC. Then in the future buy an amp and later buy decent speakers. This way I can spread out the money.
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    The CD player is still working, but I think it's on its last few plays. The mechanical arm that moves to the disk, finds a track and ends is making a lot of noise. It doesn't make any noise as it plays.

    And there is lots of advice here, which his great. There are as many different opinions as there are people, from my original question. I have a couple more questions, if you wouldn't mind answering.

    If I'm to buy a new cd player, I'd like to buy a new amplifier and speakers to keep up. I would rather upgrade than keep the same level of fidelity, which has always been adequate but not great.

    I've been looking on Crutchfield.ca with Canadian prices.

    OnkyoCD player A7030 $300
    Onkyo integrated amp 9150 $800
    Polk Speakers S20 $450
    Wharfedale Diamond 220 $350

    My local shop has, at the same price as Crutchfield

    Marantz CD5005 $550
    Marantz PM6006 integrated amp $950
    FocalChorus Speakers (not at Crutchfield) $490

    My questions:

    Do you see any good deals here?

    1. Both Onkyo and Marantz amps have a digital input and built in DAC. It is better to use the DAC in the amplifier using the digital output on the CD player? Or use the DAC in the CD player and use the analog output of the CD player? Have I got this correct, is this how you use this equipment? There are cheaper amps that do not have a DAC, is this the way to go?
    2. I have a few SACD disks. Chandos is often selling these. If I get a universal bluray player that can read SACD (For less than $200) what other equipment is needed to hear any difference? Do you just plug the Bluray player into the amp and then you can hear SACD? As for SACD, I'm not sure what to listen for anyway.
    3. I read the specs on my old JVC unit. The amp has 0.9% total harmonic distortion. Both these amps I mentioned have less than 0.08%. Does this mean these amps have 10 times less distortion than my existing amp? Would I hear the difference? Is this spec important?
    4. How important is power? Marantz is 45 W at 8 ohms, and Onkyo is 30 W at 8 ohms. Is power in an amp more than just volume?



    I live in an apartment, with neighbours. I need to be mindful of volume.
    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza sordino View Post
    The CD player is still working, but I think it's on its last few plays. The mechanical arm that moves to the disk, finds a track and ends is making a lot of noise. It doesn't make any noise as it plays.

    And there is lots of advice here, which his great. There are as many different opinions as there are people, from my original question. I have a couple more questions, if you wouldn't mind answering.

    If I'm to buy a new cd player, I'd like to buy a new amplifier and speakers to keep up. I would rather upgrade than keep the same level of fidelity, which has always been adequate but not great.

    I've been looking on Crutchfield.ca with Canadian prices.

    OnkyoCD player A7030 $300
    Onkyo integrated amp 9150 $800
    Polk Speakers S20 $450
    Wharfedale Diamond 220 $350

    My local shop has, at the same price as Crutchfield

    Marantz CD5005 $550
    Marantz PM6006 integrated amp $950
    FocalChorus Speakers (not at Crutchfield) $490

    My questions:

    Do you see any good deals here?

    1. Both Onkyo and Marantz amps have a digital input and built in DAC. It is better to use the DAC in the amplifier using the digital output on the CD player? Or use the DAC in the CD player and use the analog output of the CD player? Have I got this correct, is this how you use this equipment? There are cheaper amps that do not have a DAC, is this the way to go?
    2. I have a few SACD disks. Chandos is often selling these. If I get a universal bluray player that can read SACD (For less than $200) what other equipment is needed to hear any difference? Do you just plug the Bluray player into the amp and then you can hear SACD? As for SACD, I'm not sure what to listen for anyway.
    3. I read the specs on my old JVC unit. The amp has 0.9% total harmonic distortion. Both these amps I mentioned have less than 0.08%. Does this mean these amps have 10 times less distortion than my existing amp? Would I hear the difference? Is this spec important?
    4. How important is power? Marantz is 45 W at 8 ohms, and Onkyo is 30 W at 8 ohms. Is power in an amp more than just volume?



    I live in an apartment, with neighbours. I need to be mindful of volume.
    Thanks in advance.
    senza,

    In order:

    Question 1: Which DAC to use depends on the DAC in the component and the circuitry involved in its implementation. As you stated, it is possible to use the DAC in the CD player and go to the amp via analog. Then again, you can go digital out of the CD player and use the DAC in the amp.

    The nicest DAC of all of the equipment you listed is the AKM DAC in the Onkyo 9150. Both of the Marantz products (amp & CD) have the same Cirrus DAC....which is really good. The Wolfson DAC in the Onkyo CD player is also very good.

    I believe you would be happy with any of the DAC's in the components you listed. If you can get more bang for your buck by purchasing an amp without a DAC, you might well consider it.
    The NAD C 326BEE at Crutchfield Canada (699.99) has 50 watts per channel as well as an output for a subwoofer (an add on for the future which would turn the bookshelf speakers you're looking at into a really nice set up). NAD's reputation is excellent, and their measurements for output are generally considered conservative. You might consider one instead of the Onkyo or Marantz. More power, more future options, not spending the money on a DAC you're not going to use, overall less money to purchase.

    Question 2: You are NOT going to be able to take advantage of the SACD's DSD layer with any of the equipment listed. You will only ever hear the 44/16 layer on the disc. None of the DAC's in question is capable of converting DSD. And, even if you purchase a universal player capable of outputting the DSD signal, you will not have the multi channel speaker set up for listening to it. At this time, I would focus strictly on 2 channel CD playback.

    Question 3: The spec is important and you probably would be able to hear the difference in doing an A/B comparison.

    Question 4: Power is important. You want to have adequate power to ensure you never clip the amp at louder listening levels. A good analogue is a car...an engine with more horsepower will have to do less work and will never stain to do it. With speakers, the amp strain results in noise.

    As to the speakers you are looking at, are the Focal speakers the Chorus 706? If they are, and you can get them at $490 a pair, buy them today! They have a higher sensitivity (less power required to make them play at the same loudness) than either the Polk or the Wharfedale speakers. I would not consider purchasing the Polks you listed, as they are not as nice as the others.

    My 2 cents:

    A pair of Focal Chorus 706 speakers for $490 is a no brainer.
    The NAD C 326BEE amp (699.99) - better power, less money
    I would consider an NAD C 546BEE CD player from Crutchfield Canada (679.99). The money you would save on the NAD amp could offset this CD players higher cost, and you would be getting a better player (Wofson DACS but with a toroidal power supply - much better).

    This set up would be just cheaper in price than the 2 Marantz products with the Focal speakers. But purchasing from a dealer has advantages as well. If you ever have a warranty issue, you bring it back to the dealer and he/she deals with the shipping (and probably will give you a loaner model while you're waiting for your product back). And though I think the NAD equipment might have a slight edge over the Marantz, I own a Marantz HD DAC-1 and think it's a great piece of equipment. The dealer issue vs an online purchase must be considered.

    Good luck and have fun with your purchase.
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    Thank you Joe, this is very helpful. The local hifi shop seems to match prices at Crutchfield, but it doesn't have the NAD amplifier on its website. Perhaps it has it in store. The specs for that amp do look impressive. The CD player is in the local shop, at the same price. The nice thing about a physical bricks and mortar shop is that I can go there and listen before purchasing. And if there's a problem I take it back to the shop, rather than dealing with shipping it back. It's nice to support a local business too. I think I'll phone the shop.

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    FWIW I have bought CD players since the CD came out. All of them, portable or component, battery or AC powered, have sounded exactly the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    FWIW I have bought CD players since the CD came out. All of them, portable or component, battery or AC powered, have sounded exactly the same.
    I believe this, and that's what I find so challenging about spending money on a hifi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Rock View Post
    Well, I got a cleaning disk today, and after one go, there seems to be a marked improvement. The No Disc sign has come up only once in playing five CD's since the cleaning.
    Maybe I should try this. I have checked drivers, run diagnostics, nothing in Device Manager. The funny thing is, as long as there is a CD in the player it recognizes it.

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    A pair of Focal Chorus 706 speakers for $490 is a no brainer.
    I checked carefully. This price is for each speaker.

    I phoned my local shop this morning. The speakers are $850 per pair. As I look around the internet, I have noticed that most vendors price their speakers each. Who buys one speaker? They're priced each, but surely almost everyone would buy a pair of speakers.

    The NAD amplifier is not in stock, but can be ordered. $750. These are Canadian prices. I looked at the specs for the NAD amplifier. Impressive, and apparently, 100 times less distortion than my current amp.

    What I'm seriously thinking of doing is buying parts of my new hifi at different times to spread out the cost. I can probably live with my existing DVD player as CD player. I just need a decent amp and speakers right now. Ultimately, but this can wait months or years, I'd like to get one of those network players that have an AM/FM radio, bluetooth, wifi and can stream music.
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